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| Fishbowl Debate; It's funner then it sounds | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 29 2008, 06:39 PM (321 Views) | |
| skydancer0805 | Aug 29 2008, 06:39 PM Post #1 |
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Okay, this is how you run a Fishbowl Debate. Below this explanation I will post a topic, I will post a new topic each time I have a Fishbowl Debate in my US History II class, or when I feel like it (I is a lazy alien XD). A Fishbowl Debate works by having two debating "groups"(really just the people debating go to their side and debate together), Liberal and Conservative. Okay, you guys got that? Now, to explain to the people who don't know about a Bipartisan Government, a Liberal believes in change. A Conservative believes in keeping things the way they are. Now, when I post the topic(I will join in on which side I believe in XD), I will also post the position the two sides take. Got that as well? ...Good. Now, today's topic is something I discussed today, and hopefully it won't be considered offensive to those on the site(please, it's just for the sake of debating and stuff). The topic is Abortion. Liberals will want abortion to be completely legal, no restriction at all. Conservatives will want Abortion to go back to how it was, no Abortion, or at least restrictions on it. Now, I will be taking the place on the Liberal side(I did Conservative today ), you guys can go whatever side you want.Edit:One thing to mention, you guys can say pretty much anything, this is for the sake of debating and stuff. Please keep any and all language below a PG-13 rating(I think that's the site maximum), words like crap, ass, damn, hell and bitch(not directed at the person you are debating against) are allowed in this debate(unless they are unallowed on the site.) Anything else is out-of-bounds. Okay? Ready...Set...DEBATE!!! |
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| Tasuda | Aug 29 2008, 06:47 PM Post #2 |
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Normally I'm a liberal. I like change. But for me, change shouldn't happen at the expense of an innocent life. Now the other side makes a strong point about rape. And I've only got to ask, is it fair to the life you are about to destroy because some guy had is way with you? I understand the psychological trauma in it and looking at a child who was born out of a violent act is not what you want to see, but shouldn't the life given be given a chance? |
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| skydancer0805 | Aug 29 2008, 06:57 PM Post #3 |
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Well, Tas, you have to look at it from the women's point of view. If they are having a child given to them by a rapist, yes, abortion would be best. Each time they look at that child they would have to remember that rape, which would eventually send them over the edge. It is a psychological thing. Also, if you look at society today, most girls do not know about the safe houses and they also wouldn't be able to hold the responsibilty of having that child. It would ruin their planned life. Most abortions happen with girls that aren't ready for the responsibility. If they had the child they would have to enter work, give up their school and whatever else they had and basically put themselves to raising the child and providing for them. A third point, toxicinism(I think that was the name for it). It's a disease that basically puts the mother in this position, either both her and the baby die, or the baby dies only. Which do you think a woman would take, death just to have the child die, or let the child die? One last note, cost. Not just in money, but also in life. If abortion was illegal, women would go back to using coat hangers to do it, which is potentially fatal. That would be a high price to pay. Also, abortion is much cheaper in the long run. If you get an abortion, you don't have to pay for all the food for that child, then their tuition, which is thousands just right there. Also there is clothes, college(possibly) and other essentials. That is my position. |
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| Tasuda | Aug 29 2008, 07:02 PM Post #4 |
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Well the not ready part is kind of weak honestly. Cause I've got 1 thing to say to that, if you aren't ready, keep your legs closed. And for the guys, keep it in your pants. As for the rape bit, that is one reason why adoption houses are around. A life should not be destroyed because some guy decided he wanted to go after a girl. 1 life ruined from the rape is enough. As for the baby or the mother dying, that is about the only situation where I can see it being used. No need to destroy 2 lives if you have to destroy one. |
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| skydancer0805 | Aug 29 2008, 07:13 PM Post #5 |
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Actually, if you look at it, the time girls have been having sex is getting lower(I actually had a girl in my grade get pregnant, then have an abortion). It is a horrible thing, yes, but a fact. This makes it so younger people are getting pregnant, 16 is a very liable number for a girl to get knocked up(be it accident or on purpose). Because of this, most girls that are pregnant and get abortions ARE those that are not responsible enough for it. Also, what about the parents? They could very well have made their child get an abortion. Tasuda, if you look at what I said, most girls don't actually know about them. Maybe someone would tell them if they got pregnant, but most keep the fact they are pregnant a secret for as long as possible, as it is a mar on their reputation. A very large mar. One thing to say, do you even know if that child has a life to look forward to?! Look at it, a girl has just had her plans ruined by pregnancy, the child would come into a world of extreme poverty, a broken(and probably drug-abusing) mother and possibly even a father/boyfriend that hates the child for what they represent, emotional and physical baggage. |
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| Seta | Aug 29 2008, 07:18 PM Post #6 |
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I have to go in between. It should be legal but only at a certain point. There is such a thing as adoption after all. My birth mother could have had an abortion, but instead she put me up for adoption. As for rape, it is possible for a child to grow up as a baby born to a mother who was raped. |
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| Old Goku | Aug 29 2008, 10:41 PM Post #7 |
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I'd say the situation implies the outcome. If it was a rape, then she should have the option to have it. If it was 'accidental inside,' then in certain situations she should be able to have it, but I got three suggestions: 1) PULL IT OUT ![]() 2) Got a jap. condom? 3) B.C.P . . . FTW! |
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| nirvana4748 | Aug 29 2008, 11:09 PM Post #8 |
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If there's evidence of rape, than it should be permitted. If not, wear a condom. It won't feel as good but you won't have to worry any kids. Next topic? |
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| skydancer0805 | Aug 30 2008, 05:33 AM Post #9 |
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Okay, since this has pretty much become a "This is what should happen" topic, I guess I'll move on(oh, and a note to Pan, your position is more conservative then neutral, you want restrictions which is conservative). Okay, I haven't exactly had a new debate in class yet, and you guys are bringing out the ultimatums already(which is quite bad as it implies a certain amount of haste), I will decide on a new topic. And here it is...How does this board feel on America's involvement in all these current wars(Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia-Georgia). Liberal is for involvement and Conservative is against. I will be taking the side of the smaller group(that's how I'll usually do it). ![]() And remember, ANYONE can join, you just state your side and then give your opinion. Of course, it can (and most likely will) get argued against by someone of the opposite side. And to those that have already given their position, just state your side as well at the beginning of your post, just to make sure of it. |
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| Seta | Aug 30 2008, 09:46 AM Post #10 |
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Russia/Georgia no. Iraq/Afghanistan yes. end of story. We need to finish what we started first. No more Vietnams! |
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| Martin | Aug 30 2008, 10:28 AM Post #11 |
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I agree with Pan |
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| skydancer0805 | Aug 30 2008, 11:53 AM Post #12 |
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Well, I'm completely conservative on this issue. If you look at it, the wars originally had a good reason('cept Georgia/Russia, that one is kind've stupid to get involved in). Iraq we were ousting a dictator and helping the people of the country. Now, it's just kind've pointless to stay in full-force. We should be pulling out troops and helping the army in Iraq to form. Afghanistan was originally to show terrorists we wouldn't take no crap anymore. For the past 30 years(I think that's how long it's been), we've been putting up with terrorists attacking the US, but now we've decided to go and kick their asses, which is all good. Now...well, let's just say all we really need there now are tracking squads to hunt down Osama Bin Laden. That's my opinion. You guys can argue against it, as that is the point of this thread. Yay to debating(which is really a slightly more polite arguement)!!!!
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| Seta | Aug 30 2008, 12:14 PM Post #13 |
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I say we bomb the crap out of the mountains, and throw smoke into every hole. Smoke them out like rats! Then, when it's all over, we can set up McDonald's, Starbucks, and shopping malls! >_> |
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| Tasuda | Aug 30 2008, 10:05 PM Post #14 |
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Certain things we should get involved in. Others we should not. Get involved in..... When a people is being oppressed, denied freedoms, and their government seeks to kill and destroy. Definitly. Iraq was one. Terrible, and I think us going over there was good, though we may have gone with wrong intentions. The alone started a ripple through the middle east where people are starting to get curagious and stand up to their governments. Ending terrorism, is a good reason. Like with afghanistan. Al Qaida (however you spell it) uses peoples beliefs to side with them (Which what they say in the Quaran is bull) and cause chaos to further their own desires. People shouldn't have their beliefs turned on them nor have people live in fear. Inhumanities is another big one. Several countries in Africa are having to deal with people being slaughtered by their own government. Protection of the world. When a country like N. Korea, or Iran start to make threats against other countries with nukes, it's time for a new leadership. Not to get involved with.... Countries at war with one another. It's their problems, they need to sort it out. The country where the civilians don't want us there (Vietnam). Now for every country who has a problem with us helping other countries... I've got 1 thing to say to that... But in all honesty, I'd rather assassinate than have a war. Less casualties. When you need help, don't come crying to us because the very help you seek, you sought to deny the other countries. |
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| irish | Sep 1 2008, 09:15 AM Post #15 |
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Well I'm Libreal on this one. If I would quote Barak Obama on this one...
Meaning that of the Iraq issue, we are like blind soldiers rushing into something we weren't truly ready for. But we need to leave Iraq, and move our troops onto another plane of battle... Afghanistan. Both Obama and McCain said, and I quote
So, since were planning to leave Iraq, why not ship them to Afghanistan? Trust me, this is far from over. With the Russia and Georgia thing, I say we made the right call trying to make A peaceful solution between Georgia and Russia, but it's not working out the way we wanted. Russia=Bully Georgia=Nerd U.S.=Parent Bully:Hey nerd, I remember almost 40 years ago I didn't give you A wedgie, well to bad, I remembered and now your mine! Nerd:No! I can't fight him! Hey stop it! HELP! Parent:Alright guys that's enough! Bully, stop it! Apologize and leave the nerd alone. Nerd:Hey! Bully:No! Your not my momma! Now, we all know that George W. Bush is retarded so what will he do? Start another war? |
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