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| Topic Started: Aug 19 2009, 07:31 PM (1,228 Views) | |
| Old133 | Aug 20 2009, 06:02 AM Post #26 |
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I agree to what Seifer and 19 said. When I was 17- Old Goten used Zanzoken to end the battle with me but we never moaned back then also Old Goten/Seifer severely outmatched me. |
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| Disgraced Yamcha | Aug 20 2009, 06:06 AM Post #27 |
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I'm gunna call BS on that, Why should "not" wanting to pay for IT be such a horrible thing, I'm not saying IT is the "end-all-be-all-technique", in fact IT is a pretty pussy technique - but I digress, IT takes away from some of the fines of battle and gives members with slightly deeper pockets a "This mother fucker will probably die" button. Yes Zanzouken used to do the same shit, but everyone had access to it, not just the privileged few(myself included) who can donate. But whatever, find a way around it, that's all I can really say. With that said, people worried about getting hit with the IT+finisher combo shouldn't be that worried because finishers can only be activated when your like....what at 25% - 30% vitality? So your basically already on your last legs in the first place. mind you some finishers have other stipulations. |
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| Rilldo | Aug 20 2009, 06:12 AM Post #28 |
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Yamcha, I agree with you, but it's the reality; it's more than logical that you get more privileges when you pay/donate? I agree with you, but it's the sad truth. |
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| Seifer | Aug 20 2009, 06:13 AM Post #29 |
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Im not saying not wanting to donate is a bad thing. Im just pointing out that since its an elitist move, that since the way to get it isnt fair, people are moaning. |
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| Disgraced Yamcha | Aug 20 2009, 06:20 AM Post #30 |
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it's not like the moaning is unexpected I mean seriously, and no offense to those of whom I'll speak of. But KC is the perfect example of who IT and some of the combinations need to be fixed around the site as a whole. With the ability to zipp around the universe willy nilly, into whatever battle he pleases, (Due to alignment/battle/ToM/ nonsenes that I assume is still ongoing) or speed search of rare items. the overall combination for a skilled, bad character with a moderate income paints a bleak picture in comparison to the skilled, good character with a moderate income. Mind you I think Kc's is a great guy and a diabolical genius, now... if you'll excuse me I'm off to go get IT. |
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| Old133 | Aug 20 2009, 06:25 AM Post #31 |
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I can never find myself arguing with Yamcha. He always wins.
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| Rilldo | Aug 20 2009, 06:26 AM Post #32 |
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If you're starting this alignment discussion again, ToM is one thing, the thing that takes a week time and for all the good people to defend the planet it's being planted on. "Good" people don't waste 4 weeks of their precious time when they do, no, it's even helping them out. So, yeah, I think the good alignment is in the favour now. |
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| Disgraced Yamcha | Aug 20 2009, 06:31 AM Post #33 |
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On the contrary, your (bad alighment) rewarded for working together, for planning ahead Whats the reward in planning ahead, or working together for good characters.... maintaining the status quo ...no....fuck that. and fuck yourself in the head with a .22 if you think it makes sense. I'm just saying letting anyone with extra cash, ONTOP of the glaring flaws/inconsistency's of the game makes older matters even worse. I digress, find away around IT, and worrie about the games REAL problems |
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| Deleted User | Aug 20 2009, 06:38 AM Post #34 |
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Sigh now...I'm gonna have to learn IT just so people cant say "I'm" moaning about it. |
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| Seta | Aug 20 2009, 03:56 PM Post #35 |
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So uhm...yeah...donating on sites generally means you get better things...that's kind of the incentive...It's not our fault we have money to blow to get a technique. If you really want to fix using IT+Finisher, then make it so if someone has Zanzoken and their speed is high enough, a ref can decide if the IT+Finisher works or not. Seems fair, no? |
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| jennabug | Aug 20 2009, 03:59 PM Post #36 |
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That actually seems fair, Pan. But they would need an insane amount of speed. Three times that of the IT user (After the use of Zanzoken) is a lot, but seems fair. |
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| Alex | Aug 20 2009, 04:55 PM Post #37 |
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There are many ways around it aside from dodging but perhaps an alteration is in order where you cannot IT a Finisher (though you could IT to dodge one) |
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| zalzad | Aug 20 2009, 05:35 PM Post #38 |
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Now that is a great tweak to it so its not a huge advantage but a fair one for donators. |
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| Drynt Legiux | Aug 20 2009, 06:53 PM Post #39 |
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I'm going to put my two sense into this topic, even though I know good and damned well no one cares what a newbie has to say. #1. Donation is to make you win, that simple. #2. These people are basically making that same point with less gusto and intelligence. #3. Why jump all over people's backs solely because they are weak on the game? This is directed at 19 and his childish, stupid rants about how just cause someone is weak they have no place complaining about something they don't like. Freedom of speech, asshole. #4. Pan's got the best point around this place... IT never made Goku invincible. It is an extreme fast motion, not literally instantly appearing somewhere. USA fucked that up, it's originally called Shunkan Ido, not Instantaneous Transmission. If you watch the first Broly movie, you'll see that when Goku does the technique, he actually has to move through time and space to get to where he's going. If someone is naturally faster than a (I suggest this) boost in speed from IT, then that someone should be able to notice the IT-users movements and escape(even if barely) from the forthcoming attack. --Thank you and have a nice day. Flame me all you want, I don't care. |
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| jennabug | Aug 20 2009, 07:38 PM Post #40 |
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I've no problem with what you said except for the USA bit. F*** you, just for saying that. You forgot to mention that in the movie with Cooler, you can also see him moving several times whenever he and Cooler start having an IT versus IT match, and it shows him moving, but Cooler always going faster. (Note, I speak of the Cooler's Revenge movie) |
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| thechosenone816 | Aug 20 2009, 07:59 PM Post #41 |
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I agree on points 2, 3, and 4... especially 3. But moving on. 1 I only halfway agree with. Isn't the point of donations to support Alex and the site? Sure, win may be a bonus... yeah I know I'm being stupid. Haha. But IT itself isn't really overpowered... otherwise moves such as Illusion Wolf that can make them unblockable would be overpowered. The actual overpowering comes from ITing in 3 feet from your opponent, thrusting your arms out 3 inches from them, and launching a Kamehameha x10 directly onto their freaking chest, a move that is not only undodgeable but from an RP standard pretty much un-everything-else as well. I agree that it should be limited to Fundamentals and Advanced, though it can still dodge anything. Not like certain Advanced moves when charged aren't almost as powerful as weak uncharged finishers anyway. |
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| Drynt Legiux | Aug 20 2009, 08:26 PM Post #42 |
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Haha, that's funny. Didn't quite mean it that way, but I see your point, I'm a fan of the USA too, I kinda live here... |
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| BannedZeshin | Aug 20 2009, 09:09 PM Post #43 |
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You will also notice that in the Cooler's Revenge movie that while Cooler and Goku had an ITvsIT match that Vegeta was able to somewhat pinpoint their location when they appeared and he tried to shoot a Big Bang at both of them but they ITed out of the way. So saying that someone is undefendable against IT and that it's the end-all-be-all is dumb. |
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| Yon | Aug 20 2009, 10:01 PM Post #44 |
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I'm tempted to donate money to the site now so that I can get IT, and still say my two cents that IT+Finisher is a move that should be somehow tuned down or regulated. That being said, and being a 25 year old male that works two jobs, I am not concerned about the move, and if someone uses it on me in battle, then I am not going to complain about it while the battle is going on. I find nothing wrong with discussing if there is a way to make it less of a "is-all-ends-all" type move in battles especially when so few people even have it. It's not like anyone can get it, and the move can already do so many cheap things. For example, someone with IT could instantly intercept anyone on a planet in his of her next update that had 10K zeni or more and initiate an ambush battle, or ambush someone from anyone where in the universe who had a rare item or a dragonball. So poor little me, who is like 7000 power level, could be ambushed anytime by someone like King Cold if I ever had 10k zeni, a rare item, or a dragonball. You don't see me complaining about that. Geeze. I was just bringing this discussion up cause I am wondering if the move can be made less cheap in battle (more fair I mean), not taken out of battle. |
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| Seta | Aug 21 2009, 06:52 AM Post #45 |
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I already pointed out how it can be less cheap. Perhaps increase the ki cost of IT as well, if need be. |
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| OldGoku222 | Aug 21 2009, 07:39 AM Post #46 |
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I agree with the dude with the visor. Just saiyan, don't mind me. This isn't spam, just me saiyan I agree with Mr Visor. Razak said something that I agree with too. Like I mentioned before. I'm just saiyan just like Turles was just saiyan lol some of you dude take a suggestion as a personal insult and that's wack but yeah. I'm just saiyan. |
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| Drynt Legiux | Aug 21 2009, 04:55 PM Post #47 |
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This is spam. Saiyan!?!?
Just sayin'*, don't mind me. Or "Saying*." Just sayin'. No insults, just don't use that in rp please. |
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| nirvana4748 | Aug 23 2009, 12:23 AM Post #48 |
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I think an alteration is in order where IT requires negative ki to opperate. Yep. That means even if you've already spent some ki, you'll get just enough back to IT Topaz Discharge! |
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