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Topic Started: Aug 24 2009, 10:47 AM (1,844 Views)
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Items obtained through Quests or Sagas should not be elgible for "battle prizes", which practically means they shouldn't be able to be stolen. Or sold, for that matter. (I know Alex hates conditional things, so let's not make this one.)

Someone else could probably argue this case better than me, since I'm being rushed. I'm at school, so pardon my stupidity.

The reasoning for this suggestion is because people have put hard work into obtaining such items, and allowing them to be stolen, or sold, is not very... uh, good. For instance, I could've stolen Trunk's Last Judgement blade during our battle, no more than two or three days after he had obtained it, but it would've been a very immoral thing to do, also making it a bitch move.

It's alot different than searching for rare items, which is nothing more than putting "Searching for Whatever" for two weeks in a row, and since barely anybody master trains, they wouldn't be losing out on much except about a thousand zeni, sicne they can't hold a job while doing so.

It really shouldn't be allowed. So, uh, anyone that agrees, feel free to make your case and making mine sound a lot better.
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What if I made 40 posts in a dragonball quest, would that stop you from stealing it? Of course not.
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First thing, I know you wouldn't make 40 posts for a item that requires no more than 6 posts.

Second, if you did, no, I wouldn't steal it. Not only because I have no desire to collect the dragonballs at all, but because I know you earned it.

Third, that was a stupid example.



For instance, the Black Market Pass. What if two people with Licenses to Sell started trading the thing back and forth? That would piss people off.
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Killing someone pisses them off, should that be stopped to then?

BTW bojack that was a perfect example because there were people in the saga that did not make 40 posts but were rewarded with good items and great stats bonuses just for participating. In a DB quest you would only get RP credits for each post, a small amount of Exp and a dragonball.

And don't tell me what I would not do, you would at least have to know me before you could even make an assumption like that.

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Lol, shut the fuck up, Cold. Your logic makes no damn sense.

Here's one item in particular. Like I said, what if two people with a License to Sell traded items only obtainable through quests? Such as the Paladin's Signet. One person gets it, does the quests that require it, and then gives it off to his friend. And so on and so forth.

Or let's say, what if Trunks, my prime example, got into a battle. What's stopping anybody that's 50k+ from jumping in and stealing his sword, Last Judgement, other than the fact he's damn awesome?
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Huh? You can steal saga items? 0.o I'm pretty sure you can't, Bojack? If we could, then the elites could just come and swipe them. It doesn't bother me too much if they can or can't, but meh, I really think some things cant be sold or stolen. Its like henchmen, you obviously can't trade or steal those, I think saga items are the reward for being "there" as it says on the main site. It's the important part of the rpg and most rewarding. But I coulda sword I've been told like a few times already that you can't steal them.

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I'm getting what both are trying to say, I have to agree with Bojack, but with Cold too. Though, I wouldn't want this changed.
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What Cold said makes no sense.

He's talking about ONE dragonball. One dragonball that requires no more than 6 posts, and has no value whatsoever by itself. To be honest, I lied. I would steal it from you, because I don't really like you.

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because there were people in the saga that did not make 40 posts but were rewarded with good items and great stats bonuses just for participating. In a DB quest you would only get RP credits for each post, a small amount of Exp and a dragonball.


But the difference is, a saga is much different than a quest. I didn't even know there was a 40 post limit, so once again, you're not making any sense, and just disagreeing with me because that throws your gameplan off balance.



Appule, yeah, they can be stolen. It just happened. Even though it's incredibly unfair, and a big bitch move, it can happen. But it shouldn't. Like you said, the rewards shouldn't be able to be stolen.
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Bojack, he's talking about making more post in a DB quest, so he will get a bigger bonus, I think.

And no, I don't think saga items can be stolen, I believe Videl told me this, but yeah, the Black Market Pass can be traded with a license to sell, I think.
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And just who would make 40 posts instead of 5 posts? More than half of the people on this site have problems with the 300 word minimum.

Exactly! And it shouldn't be allowed. That person should have to go and do those two quests and earn that Black Market Pass themselves and not have to worry about it getting stolen or selling it off. And no, a saga item was just stolen in battle.
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Bojack,Aug 24 2009
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Lol, shut the fuck up, Cold. Your logic makes no damn sense.

Here's one item in particular. Like I said, what if two people with a License to Sell traded items only obtainable through quests? Such as the Paladin's Signet. One person gets it, does the quests that require it, and then gives it off to his friend. And so on and so forth.

Or let's say, what if Trunks, my prime example, got into a battle. What's stopping anybody that's 50k+ from jumping in and stealing his sword, Last Judgement, other than the fact he's damn awesome?

Whats stopping some one?

Nothing other then that little voice in the back of their head assuming everyone has one.

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The same thing that stops some dude from stealing your ride when he walks on by and sees that you left the keys in the ignition.

That's just the risk you take when entering a battle. Welcome to the real world, bojack where it's not all rainbows and butterflies.
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LMAO. The real world? Oh god, Cold. You need help.
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Well, for a better reward, maybe. I wouldn't, but still, it IS possible.

I've never seen that happen, the part with the black market pass, because it's so more beneficial if you just do the quests.

Oh, donation items can't be stolen btw, saga items can get stolen now, I think. It's all in your own risk; don't battle if you don't want to lose stuff.
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You can still get sneak attacked and mugged, so that rules out the "be careful" bit.

I dont think saga items should be stealable. It just seems crap that someone spent a lot of time and effort to get a saga reward, just for someone with a higher level who did nothing can saunter in and take everything.

Yes, nothing is in the rules saying you cannot steal saga items.

It just makes you look like a dick for doing it. No matter how much a person says "thatsjust how my character is" yaddayadda.

What a load of bollocks. Im all up for rping. But when you get into griefplaying, that is intentially pissing people off, purely for ones own amusement, its crap.

Take for instance, how much does it piss you off when your playing a game like daoc or wow and your just minding your own business, when some silly little shit runs over and starts ganking you just because he is a higher level?

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Wait no. I'm positive that you can't steal saga Items. And I'm still trying to understand Colds position, but then does this mean that I can steal Donation items because this is the real world. I remember when I coulda stolen trunk's sword and I asked around. I got a flat "no" from everyone.

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Appule,Aug 24 2009
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Wait no. I'm positive that you can't steal saga Items. And I'm still trying to understand Colds position, but then does this mean that I can steal Donation items because this is the real world. I remember when I coulda stolen trunk's sword and I asked around. I got a flat "no" from everyone.

No, you can't steal donation items because it's "in the rules" and we put "our hard earned money into it."

I'm just obviously saying what Cold is gonna say.

But, the problem with that is, people also put their posts into it, their "hard-earned" posts, while, seeing as most of the posts in the sagas are usually over 500 words. So I don't see what the problem is with us stealing Donation Items from now on.
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Saga items seem to be stealable. Donation items absolutelly cannot be stolen.

@ Geist, that is clear nonsense. You can still get sneak attacked and mugged? Make sure you don't have anything to get you sneak attacked then. Simple. Or, get someone to protect you.

This is just like a few other discussion I've been in. Geist, do you even know if you would type the exact same post if you were "the strongest" on the site? I don't think so.
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Saga items seem to be stealable. Donation items absolutelly cannot be stolen.

@ Geist, that is clear nonsense. You can still get sneak attacked and mugged? Make sure you don't have anything to get you sneak attacked then. Simple. Or, get someone to protect you.

This is just like a few other discussion I've been in. Geist, do you even know if you would type the exact same post if you were "the strongest" on the site? I don't think so.


Uh, you don't see Android 13 going around, mugging everybody for the hell of it. So your logic falls short too. In fact, the only thing I've seen 13 steal is like, a spaceship.
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Okay, if he was stronger than most of the members, for that matter. And yeah, I've seen 13 steal items.
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Saga items seem to be stealable. Donation items absolutelly cannot be stolen.

@ Geist, that is clear nonsense. You can still get sneak attacked and mugged? Make sure you don't have anything to get you sneak attacked then. Simple. Or, get someone to protect you.

This is just like a few other discussion I've been in. Geist, do you even know if you would type the exact same post if you were "the strongest" on the site? I don't think so.


So you are saying that dont take part in any sagas, do not get any quest items and you will be fine.

That would be a pretty boring time in this rp then, no?

I a firm believer in fair play and sportsmanship. Even when I have been the strongest on other rpg sites and games, I didnt find it big or clever to go around slapping those far, far below me in the foodchain for "shits and giggles" as I hate that sort of bollocks myself.

Just because someone else does it, doesnt mean you have to follow suit.

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Okay, if he was stronger than most of the members, for that matter. And yeah, I've seen 13 steal items.

What, a spaceship or two? Something that could be easily replaceable in like, two updates that require no more than five minutes to do?
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What, a spaceship or two? Something that could be easily replaceable in like, two updates that require no more than five minutes to do?

So, you're fine with 13 stealing something that can be easily replaceable, but it's wrong if KC steals a saga item? That's stupid. Also, the only possible solution will be completely disabling stealing or battling.
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And that proves my point even further.

Can a saga item be easily replaceable?

And no, it wouldn't be. I don'tc are if normal shit that you can get with Zeni gets stolen, but other items, like the rare items or whatever that really require no work to get. But shit that takes a while to earn shouldnt get stolen.
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I think 19 believes that you shouldn't steal saga items, bojack. 0.o

Mayn, this thread has confused the heck out of me. Why would anyone WANT saga items to be stealable?
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Thank you, mister Appule. I hope this thread gets closed soon. It's going absolutely nowhere.
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