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Quest/saga Items
Topic Started: Aug 24 2009, 10:47 AM (1,848 Views)
skydancer0805
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I have to say a few things:

1)Dragonball Quests take only 4 posts. Says so in their fine print in their quest description. ^_^

2)Saga/Quest Items are only obtainable once. If it's stolen, that's it, it's gone 'less you can steal it back. Now, isn't it true that any of donation items could just be bought again('cept Bardock's Hairband and Broli's Collar)?

In fact, I believe that is just the case.

My question on this is, why are Saga/Quest items stealable when Donation Items aren't? I mean, if I spent a few bucks and picked up one of those items, it doesn't really matter what happens to them. Seriously, they're cheap as hell after donating. Thus, it gets stolen, I can just buy another one for something like 700 Zeni(2 weeks of Side Jobs at 1st and 2nd levels). Saga/Quest Items, on the other hand, require you to spend at least a few hours just to get the items(unless you're like Broli and his crazy rping).

So, I ask you, why are Donation Items not stealable and Saga/Quest Items are?

3)Just make everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, stealable! Problem solved. Your item goes bye-bye, only way you're getting that back is by stealing it back. That's more incentive for rushing for a power that you feel a good amount of security in. :D
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Okay, like I said before, saga items are not stealable.

It's the same scenario as tokens. You cannot steal, buy/sell, and/or wish for tokens or token items. The only way is to earn them.

With the saga items, they're special rewards that you can only obtain during a single event most of the time. They are very similar to personal sagas, but are even bigger. They both follow the same concept in both the saga itself and the items as well.

So would it make sense for saga items (that's even harder to obtain) to be stealable and the token items not?
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I've been thinking of this too but like my battle idea I think this creates more restriction. I kind of had an epiphany because some good ideas sometimes turn into bad ones, I watched it happen. This is one of those things as well, I mean it's a dick move to steal those items but isn't that the risk that you ran while doing the saga or quest to get it. Perhaps they should take the ability away for the sneak attack on rare items and only for zeni maybe that would give it a little clarificiation. If the ability to sneak attack for a rare item is out then people will be responsible for their own shit when they battle. Though if this goes into effect I think a sneak attack should be lowered to 5,000 zeni instead of 10,000.
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Anything that you bring into battle should be able to be stolen, IMO.
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I agree with Ken, actually. Battle at your own risk.
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Well you can battle at your own risk of course but you can still be sneak-attacked for it right, which kinda defeats the purpose of battle at your own risk...
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lol. Wait do you guys mean like, things you bring into battle, such as your prepared items and things you wear or the whole invetory in your wiki? I could kinda agree with the first one, but the wiki thing is kinda wierd to me.

Idk, in kens and 19s concept. It kinda bores the game a bit. We go through the whole process of making stats and updating....just SO that we can battle. So I never understood the idea when people said "Whaa, then just don't battle."

We should be encouraging players to battle and if everything is stealable, it just enlargens the gap of where the strong has all the items, they will be the ones doing the sagas, they will be growing faster, and they will always have the advantages. And then when one weak guy gets a good item, it gets ganked. I don't mind sneak attacks, but I always think there should be a limit on some items, but meh.
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You can only be sneak attacked for rare items or 10k+ Zeni.

@ Appule. Battles for weaker members against stronger members will boost your powerlevel by a tremendous amount as you already know, which IMO is a poor idea considering the unbalanced amount you receive compared to questing but that doesnt matter, so when you're in a battle where there are such large power rewards there should be something to counterbalance that. Hey you might lose your Silver Armor but you will come out with massive power gains if you lose it to someone stronger, plus most of the people who have the ability to rob you blind won't do it anyway.

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Right...so now I just never ever battle till im 80k pl and then show off how cool my saga item was.
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Rilldo
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Appule, you're right, but if people weren't this damn slow nowadays, the bad guys wouldn't have the OPPURTUNITY to steal it. Really, battles shouldn't take more than a day or two.
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Amen! I think we can all agree on that, lol.
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Videl,Aug 24 2009
12:38 PM
Okay, like I said before, saga items are not stealable.

It's the same scenario as tokens. You cannot steal, buy/sell, and/or wish for tokens or token items. The only way is to earn them.

With the saga items, they're special rewards that you can only obtain during a single event most of the time. They are very similar to personal sagas, but are even bigger. They both follow the same concept in both the saga itself and the items as well.

So would it make sense for saga items (that's even harder to obtain) to be stealable and the token items not?

Actually Videl as per Alex, Saga items can be stolen.

As per this thread I would have to agree with both sides, though I would have a different approach to people being able to steal them. My take on saga items is that if you participated in the saga, you can steal items that were earned in that saga. I don't think its fair thought for some one who didn't participate in a saga, and only won a battle because it was like 3 on 1 to get the rewards that the single person earned. It doesn't seem fair to the person who simply was unlucky enough to face an entire alliance at once to have an item that cant be reobtained taken. But if the same situation were to happen and all 4 fighters had participated in the same saga then they would have earned the saga item just as much as the next guy.
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Ra,Aug 24 2009
07:54 PM
As per this thread I would have to agree with both sides, though I would have a different approach to people being able to steal them. My take on saga items is that if you participated in the saga, you can steal items that were earned in that saga. I don't think its fair thought for some one who didn't participate in a saga, and only won a battle because it was like 3 on 1 to get the rewards that the single person earned. It doesn't seem fair to the person who simply was unlucky enough to face an entire alliance at once to have an item that cant be reobtained taken. But if the same situation were to happen and all 4 fighters had participated in the same saga then they would have earned the saga item just as much as the next guy.

Where would you draw the line on saga participation, though? Since Bojack used me as an example, I might as well follow through. Last Judgment cost me 20 Scenari Crystals, which is equivalent to about 40 posts as was mentioned, I believe. There are people that made 5 posts in the entire thing, and mostly didn't even bother with the plot. Would this count as participation, just because they'd have the credit on their wiki?

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The whole "Sneak attack" thing is virtually out of the question. Humans and Half-Saiyans have sense, so it wouldn't be possible. I think Scouter works the same way, so that would mean that sneak attacking has become obsolete in a sense.

And the whole "it's not fair to steal donation items cuz they worked so hard for it" is a little unbalanced. I worked hard for my 600 zeni and I had been forced into searching for Pico with Tsubasa then I would have lost virtually all my zeni. Had I denied, then I would had to have started all over again. Sure you can gain 600+ zeni every week, but then I'll have it stolen again against an evil bastard who wants a quick buck.

"To the victor goes the spoils" is what the battle system is based on. It's war and the enemy shouldn't care how "hard" you worked for it, cuz he worked hard leveling up in order to jack your sh!t.

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Future Trunks,Aug 24 2009
04:29 PM
Where would you draw the line on saga participation, though? Since Bojack used me as an example, I might as well follow through. Last Judgment cost me 20 Scenari Crystals, which is equivalent to about 40 posts as was mentioned, I believe. There are people that made 5 posts in the entire thing, and mostly didn't even bother with the plot. Would this count as participation, just because they'd have the credit on their wiki?

Which is why I personally lead more towards not stealable at all. Considering no one in the saga but you made a beastly 5k post. Like I said though, I can see both sides of the argument, but I am really against people that didn't even participate, or attempt to participate getting the rewards.

Edit: Letice, sneak attacks are far from obsolete. The only thing a scouter or sense does is limit your opponents attacks in their first post if they sneak attack you. So instead of some one having say 7 or 8 actions in post 1 they get 5 or 6 actions. Sneak attacks are a way to force people with items that are limited to 1 per rpg to give others a chance to have the item. Also, you could have easily said no, lost the 600 zeni, earned it again next week, and not been in a battle to lose the zeni. The only time you can be forced into battle is if you have a rare item, or over 10k zeni.
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So then in say a months time those people who were around will still have those awesome items and weapons whilst new members who were not around then can never get them? I dont think it makes sense. You got rewarded for roleplaying, as it should be, but it shouldnt be automatic that you can never lose these superpowered weapons. There has to be a drawback to having it IMO.
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So then in say a months time those people who were around will still have those awesome items and weapons whilst new members who were not around then can never get them? I dont think it makes sense. You got rewarded for roleplaying, as it should be, but it shouldnt be automatic that you can never lose these superpowered weapons. There has to be a drawback to having it IMO.

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I personally think that quest/saga items should not be able to be stolen, but why not be able to sell them? It's the person's choice whether to give all their hard work to someone else, right? (sorry I'm coming in late and if someone's already said it)
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Then the new members should have joined earlier.

And Pan, so they won't become conditional. And the Person buying can now get two of said item, so no.
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Ra,Aug 24 2009
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Edit: Letice, sneak attacks are far from obsolete. The only thing a scouter or sense does is limit your opponents attacks in their first post if they sneak attack you. So instead of some one having say 7 or 8 actions in post 1 they get 5 or 6 actions. Sneak attacks are a way to force people with items that are limited to 1 per rpg to give others a chance to have the item. Also, you could have easily said no, lost the 600 zeni, earned it again next week, and not been in a battle to lose the zeni. The only time you can be forced into battle is if you have a rare item, or over 10k zeni.

If it limits the amount of attacks so severly then it just turns into a regular battle. On average most people above 10k pl do 3-5 actions easy. I also think that sense and scouter puts the factor of speed in as well, meaning if you had more speed then you go first, but I could be wrong.

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I don't think more needs to be said.

(Getting jacked for over 10k is WORSE then losing a rare item. That's quite a bit of weeks you spent trying to get that much money so you could buy several strong items at bulk, which is what I intend to do in the future.)
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I think any item should be up for grabs, no exceptions. I myself would more then welcome any and all challengers that wish to take the chance at stealing any of my items.

The thought of some one actually being worthy enough to take them from me sends a tingling sensation up and down my spine. Its what I have been waiting for in all my time here, a worthy challenger.
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I think any item should be up for grabs, no exceptions. I myself would more then welcome any and all challengers that wish to take the chance at stealing any of my items.

The thought of some one actually being worthy enough to take them from me sends a tingling sensation up and down my spine. Its what I have been waiting for in all my time here, a worthy challenger.

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Letice. You cannot be forced to fight Pico. I saw the battle bonuses and had a talk with Tasuda, and he cleared it up. I've no idea what Sanara was thinking when he put that, but you are not required to comply.
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Bojack,Aug 24 2009
04:20 PM
Then the new members should have joined earlier.

And Pan, so they won't become conditional. And the Person buying can now get two of said item, so no.

So still noone can respond to my statement, which is exactly why saga stuff should be able to be stolen.
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Bobo can't reply because he knows not how to defend against you being right, Ken.
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