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| Topic Started: Aug 24 2009, 10:47 AM (1,847 Views) | |
| Disgraced Bojack | Aug 24 2009, 05:35 PM Post #51 |
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Cold you never replied to the earlier comments so you're not one to talk. Ken, I just responded. They can wait till the next saga and get sweet shit themselves. |
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| BannedZeshin | Aug 24 2009, 05:38 PM Post #52 |
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I know I'm not required to. But if you had to choose between fighting Pico with a huge crew backing you up, or losing 600 zeni(and you only had about 700) then I think you would understand. |
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| Drei | Aug 24 2009, 05:38 PM Post #53 |
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Others responded to your earlier comments and you already made assumptions as to what I would say. I decided to let you believe your assumptions. |
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| Seta | Aug 24 2009, 05:40 PM Post #54 |
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I still see no issue. In real life, if I want to sell my priceless diamond necklace, which I spent ages trying to find in a shipwreck, then I should be able to. So what if the buyer already has another priceless diamond necklace? it's their prerogative. |
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| Disgraced Bojack | Aug 24 2009, 05:44 PM Post #55 |
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Lol@Cold again. And Pan, like I said, so it won't be conditional. btw you cant buy a priceLESS thing |
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| Seta | Aug 24 2009, 05:47 PM Post #56 |
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I believe that's what Bill said to his brother when said brother sold a Hittori Hanzo sword... Conditions are awesome. Unless you're Ulysses S. Grant |
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| BannedZeshin | Aug 24 2009, 05:48 PM Post #57 |
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Kudos to Ken cuz I see no flaw in his reasoning, which I agree with, and I shall take what Ra said.
So if a new player comes buy and finds someone who gained a saga item and HAPPENS to be around his starting pl and decides to sneak attack him then oh well. As Ra said, Sneak attacks gives other a chance to get an item in case their brand new, so the thought that "they should have joined earlier" doesn't make any sense what so ever. It's not like this site had a global commercial come on at the same time and it took over magazines for a whole day as advertisement. |
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| jjlee | Aug 24 2009, 05:50 PM Post #58 |
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Atta boy Letice. I just wanted more people to fight the big scary Pico with me. |
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| Ra | Aug 24 2009, 06:01 PM Post #59 |
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Only its not a regular battle, because you can be challenged to a battle, say no, and have nothing happen. But, if you're sneak attacked, and say no, you still lose an item. Now if you use that logic about saga items being rare items and people should be allowed to steal them so they can enjoy the rare item then 1) they should have joined in the saga, and 2) having a saga item should make you open to sneak attacks. Which in turn would make quite a few people not want the saga items because they didn't join this site so that some ass whole could force them into battle. |
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| BannedZeshin | Aug 24 2009, 06:05 PM Post #60 |
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In a sick, twisted way I did. Hell, I enjoy getting my ass kicked in an rp battle. That's why I accepted to battle Yogi and Tsubasa(even though they weren't THAT much stronger than me, they still were.) So it's whatever to me. |
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| jjlee | Aug 24 2009, 06:15 PM Post #61 |
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Meh I just think Saga rare items should be left out of the loop of rare items, it's most likely a signature of hard work and it is usually meant for one person anyhow. Rare items earned by quests not so much because who ever decides to get the item can do the quest first, totally unfair. Of course this just turns into a whole other debate which would be how good can a saga item actually get and what kind of restrictions apply to making a saga item for others. Usually the simplest answer is the best in this case. You can steal everything which gets us nowhere again. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 24 2009, 06:17 PM Post #62 |
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It's like the Summer give away Ken, you have to be here, to get it. All over the world, there is things that are only handed out once. If you played MMORPGS, they would have drop outs and give awesome items on holidays(The trick was that you couldn't trade these). So really Sagas are like special edditions. Like baseball cards, to magic cards, there is special cards given out for the ocasion that you only can get by participating in. Its not like this is any new concept. Look at Donation items for example...we have to earn them. I wasn't in the saga and I don't have saga items, I just believe that stealing Saga items is pretty low. Thats why I didn't press stealing fts sword, he was HERE, he was an active member, he supported this site at the time, and so I think he RIGHTFULLY earned the sword. It wasn't mine to take. As is Donation items and token items. Its because they recognized that the player earned it in some way. How would some players in the saga feel if they made their 40 posts and lost their prize in one swoop. Thats why everyone has refused to do it till now...(KC). But keep your chin up Ken, because down the road(If you remain active), there will be other sagas just for you. You can rp your heart out and get that awesome sword you've been mulling to steal. There is also millions of awesome weapons out there that compare with saga items and accesories. Much stuff for you to steal and dig your hands into, but meh, just one of many oppinions Ken. |
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| thechosenone816 | Aug 24 2009, 06:19 PM Post #63 |
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Alright, I'm going to start this off with a point that everyone will yell at me for and criticize: Stealing anything, items of any kind, and Zeni, is unfair. Now to tell you what I mean. This site encourages battling as the ONLY way to gain stats rather fast. The highest gain I know for anything but that is +275 to all for a certain quest which shall not be named. You can easily get more than that for battling anyone at a higher Power Level. If they can't get them, then they are forced to fight members much closer to them. And lets be honest here, that's where the general populace is, and therefore where the pricks are. Whether it be members who joined recently and got ahead just enough to battle newbies and crush them, or members at higher Power Levels who still have fun ruining other player's experiences, sooner or later all the lowbies will run into a battle against someone they can't win. And a lot of those people will take something from them just because they want to get something. Before you yell at me for the next part (Ken) I'm not bringing this up to argue about it, just pointing out a perfect example of what I'm talking about: During the battle between myself, Ken, Trunks, Appule, you know it. Ken defeated Goten, and was trying to decide what to do with him. Though it was a "no kill, no steal" battle, we all know that too many people still jump in and prance around acting big by defeating weaker members. Though that didn't apply to Ken (they were both around the same level) he still tried to kill Goten. Through much talking (and a save by Bobo about an unfair KO) this was avoided, but it's his reasoning that got to me. Though the exact wording is long lost to me, the conversation betwixt me and him went something like this: Me: So, why'd Digu ask you about what you wanted to do to Goten? I mean, its a no kill no steal battle. Ken: Yeah, but that doesn't matter. I can still do whatever I want to him. Me: Really? Well, what are you going to do? Ken: I'm probably going to kill him. Me: Why? Ken: Well, he doesn't have any Zeni and the only item he has is the Gem of Telepathy, and that's not worth stealing. Me: Yeah, but why do you have to steal from him? Ken: Because if he doesn't have something for me to take then I'm not going to let him off free Now, I'm fairly certain that wasn't the EXACT way he said it so it was probably a little nicer but that's what it boiled down to. And people who do things like that are WHY stealing is unfair. Another example? Android 19 himself, who has been posting on the side of stealing (I think, this topic got a bit confusing around page 2 for who was on what side) for a while now. Since I'm the battle bonuses I obviously got talked to about how the stealing works, and I thought that he wouldn't get the Saiyan Weights along with the Saiyan Armor. But, then this. Me: Wait, I think that you won't get the Saiyan Weights with the armor. Android 19: Why wouldn't I? Me: Because, I don't think the weights are actually "in" the armor, just underneath it. Android 19: Well, I ripped the armor off his chest. I get the weights too. Me: Yeah, but I'm going to check with Razak just to be safe. Android 19: If I don't get the weights, then just have me kill him. Me: Why the hell do you want to kill him? You still get the armor, but just because you can't have everything you wanted you're going to kill him? I can't remember enough of the convo from then on to even half-remember the lines, so we'll move on. There's an easy way to fix this; and it's a combination of what people have said before me and my own spin on it that I think most people can agree too (other than those who enjoy killing/stealing from people weaker than them) 1. Make everything stealable. EVERYTHING. MAYBE not Token items, but that's a big, BIG maybe. 2. This is my part. Make No Kill/No Steal battles official. I've seen too many people try to have a fair battle, and then they get massacred by someone who sees an item they have that they want. This is the fix to ALL the problems. People who want to be able to steal from an opponent can challenge anyone to a battle, they just have to realize that (although I have never seen this) if one of the stipulations IS a no kill/no steal battle, they cannot steal or kill at the end. Of course, to do that would be breaking your word AND being a prick so nobody has done that yet that I know of. But more importantly, this would make the newbies safer during their SAFE battles. If its No Kill/No steal and official, they wouldn't have to worry and would probably battle a whole lot more. The best part is people wouldn't have the chance to ruin it any more, because if it was officially No kill or steal, then even people who jumped into the battle would be completely unable to do anything but let them off without a scratch. And for battles that are kill/steal, it would still be fair because when you go into a battle trying to steal something or kill the other person, if you HONESTLY expect them to not be able to steal one of your items (no matter how hard you worked for it) and you to get your pick of their items then that's really not very fair. This way everything would be fair game for anyone in a kill/steal battle. Feel free to tell me what you think of my idea. Or... ask for a summary. I know I get long winded. |
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| BannedZeshin | Aug 24 2009, 06:23 PM Post #64 |
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@Appule:But if the definition of a sneak attack is to get attack an enemy with a certain rare item you weren't there to get, then why is it that now your moralistic beliefs is being forced on everyone else?(By everyone I mean KC). If you didn't want to steal Trunk's Sword then more power to you, but to say that you believe strongly in what you deem is "right" and that now EVERYONE(KC) should have to follow by a cetain "honor" system doesn't seem fair to me. Like forcing rape/incest victims to have babies cuz you think it's "wrong" to have an abortion(but that's a discussion for another time.) |
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| Seta | Aug 24 2009, 06:24 PM Post #65 |
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My final thoughts: Let quest items be sold. Token items COULD be sold and stolen. Donation items could be SOLD but not stolen (unless there can be more than one in the game) |
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| Disgraced Bojack | Aug 24 2009, 06:27 PM Post #66 |
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First off, Letice. NEVER bring up fucking abortion in a discussion with me, whether you're agreeing or not. |
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| Ra | Aug 24 2009, 06:29 PM Post #67 |
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The only items that allow sneak attacks now are items that are available to any member at any time unless its limited to 1 per rpg, either way though its available to any one at any time until some one has it. Saga items are not available at any time to any one which is why this discussion is even happening. |
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| BannedZeshin | Aug 24 2009, 06:29 PM Post #68 |
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I was using it as an example Bojack. If you want to share views then post in the pub section under abortion, other than that it did not concern you thus your comment wasn't even called for and has just swayed the conversation into something totally different. |
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| thechosenone816 | Aug 24 2009, 06:32 PM Post #69 |
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By the way, since Sneak Attacks are possible obviously those would steal any Rare Item they had (or Zeni) without the option of saying 'no'. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 24 2009, 06:41 PM Post #70 |
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Moralistic? Haha, don't get me confused for having Morals, Letice. I wanted to kill almost everyone in that battle, but Bojack softens me up a bit. As for Saga item, I was told by like four different people I couldnt steal it. Its not about being all moralistic, its just for the common good of the rpg. I wasn't in the saga so I don't get it and wouldn't be fair if I did. No one has ever stole a saga item and I didn't want to be the first. And its not called forcing anyone, Letice...its called rules. Like raping someone letice...that's against the rules...I can't force someone to get an abortion, I have my oppinions(I'm liberal), but I just think some things are just left untouched. |
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| BannedZeshin | Aug 24 2009, 06:48 PM Post #71 |
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I don't know even know what this conversation is about anymore. I thought it could be stolen and Bojack wanted to change it, then you say that it couldn't to begin with, then someone else says that it actually could and I came in this debate trying to say that it should be ok if it could be stolen thinking that the rule was already like that so I just don't know. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 24 2009, 06:50 PM Post #72 |
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Well originally it wasn't okay, from what everyone told me(Saga Items were Off Limits). Then all of a sudden, it was "okay" when KC tried it on the recent battle. So now Bojack is trying to get the rule back in place. Really it doesn't bother me none. I mean, I don't have any saga items, but just my oppinion. Lol, we should start setting up political platforms on this site haha with political parties. The drama here is like an episode of Sopranos. |
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| Disgraced Bojack | Aug 24 2009, 06:56 PM Post #73 |
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Bojackcrats. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 24 2009, 06:59 PM Post #74 |
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Appulicans! We believe in WAR! |
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| Leandros | Aug 24 2009, 07:43 PM Post #75 |
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When making a sneak attack for a rare item, the rare item should be listed as the cause. Or zenni as well. It's stupid to sneak attack someone because they have pico's right toenail of charisma and end up stealing his underwear. But about having saga item's stolen, I say it is fair game. As long as you follow the common sense i started this post with. Going into a battle on your choice, you accept the possibility of each and every outcome. Official no kill/steal battles, i'll agree with. (I didn't read the entire thread) |
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