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Suggestion/petition; (Alex: Please read!)
Topic Started: Sep 8 2009, 07:28 PM (2,685 Views)
thechosenone816
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It has come to my attention a rule, lately, brought up when I challenged another member to a battle. The rule we are speaking of is the one on the alignment page, which is that no good characters may battle another character of good alignment. This is a rule which many of us feel needs to be changed, for various reasons; some of which include:

1. Restriction of player interaction
2. Not entirely sensible IC
3. Makes the alignment much more unbalanced with Evil. (Not that I'm saying we shouldn't have disadvantages as good, just that this one makes it much harder on Good.)

Now, those are my reasons and I'm sure everyone else has theirs. And its not just me who thinks that this needs to be changed. I have 10 people, total, who believe that this rule should be eliminated.

1. Myself
2. Tapion
3. Bojack
4. Appule
5. Jeice
6. Sephiroth
7. Android 18
8. Frieza
9. Tsubasa
10. Android 13
11. Dante Amano
12. Geist
13. Tambourine

You'll notice that not all of these people are even good; and three are staff members. More importantly than the fact that I found people who agree is that nobody disagreed that I asked. I'm not saying nobody disagrees, but everyone I talked to all thought that this was a good idea.

Android 13 also asked that I include his suggestion that Good v Good simply not be able to kill one another. (Possibly no steal as well, but that's mine not his).

At the very least, we would like to request that it at least be put to only Lawful Good v Lawful Good battles that are forbidden.

Post away, people.
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Vash 11:48 pm
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Dante Amano
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You have a tendency to strike good points, you didn't fail this time either.

Put me in the list of people agreeing with this idea.
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bizkitboylee100
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Goka always wanted to fight anyone, good or bad, just for the "lulz"

So add my name to that list
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Ra
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Geist,Sep 8 2009
07:47 PM
Goka always wanted to fight anyone, good or bad, just for the "lulz"

So add my name to that list

But you never saw Goku going all out and fighting krillin or piccolo (after he became good) Good people just dont go out and beat the shit out of other good people.
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Disgraced Bojack
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But not every battle is about someone wanting to beat the shit out of somebody else.
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thechosenone816
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Yeah, I mean, people like Vegeta, Goku, and even some of the lesser characters like Krillin trained themselves to the brink of death just to get stronger; I think a battle between two of them to get stronger is perfectly reasonable.
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10 Apr 12, 02:15 PM Taps: Kama, stop having fantasies about me and Trunks. They are creeping me out. >.>
10 Apr 12, 02:15 PM Kamatayan: It never actually happened, but it happens every night in my mind lol

23 Apr 12, 03:27 PM
Taps: Gawds, Sana thinking he so hawt.
Apr 12, 03:28 PM
Kenpachi: You know you want this ass

Vash 11:48 pm
    nah
    i just like the feeling of a boner
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Disgraced Yamcha
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I support this particularly because I believe our entire alignment system needs revamping. look throughout history, the people that believe them selves most righteous are the ones that generally shed the most blood.
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NoJeice
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Yeah, some people want to battle for fun. They dont want to kill them, they want a good battle. Thats what I want almost all of the time, a good time.
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I agree with what 13 said. Put me on that list.
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thechosenone816
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Just a note, I won't put you on the list unless you SPECIFICALLY say yes; so if you want on just post here asking.
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10 Apr 12, 02:15 PM Taps: Kama, stop having fantasies about me and Trunks. They are creeping me out. >.>
10 Apr 12, 02:15 PM Kamatayan: It never actually happened, but it happens every night in my mind lol

23 Apr 12, 03:27 PM
Taps: Gawds, Sana thinking he so hawt.
Apr 12, 03:28 PM
Kenpachi: You know you want this ass

Vash 11:48 pm
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    i just like the feeling of a boner
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evulspirit
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Well...I know that if I was of good alignment and that I wanted to change my alignment for a good IC story, that I would want to strike out against my fellow comrades in a backstabbing motion to claim my evil presence.

i.e.:

I am FG "La Di Da Di Da" skipping along, but i want to be evil so I turn and just snap on Tasuda "Oh No!!!!" to create a good story of how I am now on my track to be evil.
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This post proves I'm specifically saying yes.
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To tell you the truth, I'm only evil because of that stupid rule
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Bojack,Sep 8 2009
08:38 PM
But not every battle is about someone wanting to beat the shit out of somebody else.

But they should be. Anything else is called a spar.
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Disgraced Yamcha
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I'm not saying battles shouldn't be about "not killing" but saying "good" players being unable to kill seems a bit of a slanted and imbalanced ideal. Like I said, history has proven that those with the purest of intentions or perceived or entitled righteousness are generally the ones whom shed the most blood.
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Yamcha,Sep 8 2009
09:09 PM
I'm not saying battles shouldn't be about "not killing" but saying "good" players being unable to kill seems a bit of a slanted and imbalanced ideal. Like I said, history has proven that those with the purest of intentions or perceived or entitled righteousness are generally the ones whom shed the most blood.

The blood of "villains" or those that are determined to be "villains" through the eyes of the hero, that is what blood they shed. Villains are the complete opposite of that, they kill anyone in their way.
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Yamcha,Sep 8 2009
09:09 PM
I'm not saying battles shouldn't be about "not killing" but saying "good" players being unable to kill seems a bit of a slanted and imbalanced ideal. Like I said, history has proven that those with the purest of intentions or perceived or entitled righteousness are generally the ones whom shed the most blood.

I totaly agree, Good people should be able to fight other good people. What if they want to test their skills, a spar can't really do that.
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Disgraced Yamcha
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lets be realistic, you can test your skills against another good player , thats a spar. But I mean we have quests and rps here on the site which in real life could had sparked entire wars between good players/people/

like the "Ankh of Alekshandaria" or whatever, what if lets say, two players role played that one wasn't just enough to wield the ankh this could spark a battle here on the site, as i'm sure fights over such holy objects have sparked conflicts in reality thousands of times over.
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Yamcha,Sep 8 2009
10:09 PM
I'm not saying battles shouldn't be about "not killing" but saying "good" players being unable to kill seems a bit of a slanted and imbalanced ideal. Like I said, history has proven that those with the purest of intentions or perceived or entitled righteousness are generally the ones whom shed the most blood.

Then deep down they aren't that righteous are they?

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I totaly agree, Good people should be able to fight other good people. What if they want to test their skills, a spar can't really do that.


Get on the same planet then and do a personal saga set up battle style, you can still test your skills. You just wont get the stat gains.


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Yeah, I mean, people like Vegeta, Goku, and even some of the lesser characters like Krillin trained themselves to the brink of death just to get stronger; I think a battle between two of them to get stronger is perfectly reasonable.


Vegeta and Goku fought twice (in dbz). Once when Vegeta was evil and there for the dragon balls. And once when he turned Majin and was under the control of babadi. They didn't fight any other time. Krillin and Goku fought once in DB, I don't recall them fighting any other time. Same goes with Goku and Piccolo, they fought only when Piccolo was evil. So you can't really say they fought to the brink of death to get stronger while training. Because the vast majority of the training you see (with the exception of Piccolo training Gohan before the saiyan saga) its always a spar.

The alignments are fairly well balanced right now, sure it could possibly use some editing like Yamcha suggested but I think it would be hard to do that fairly.
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Disgraced Ven
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Good aligned players should be able to battle other good's, but I agree with the not killing them. Good alignment doesn't automatically mean you're righteous, what if I had a good character with a skewed sense of reality? Everything I did, I thought was for a greater good, you couldn't just say "it's evil" because it doesn't fit with your views of what's good or not. There's ton's of example where some people think something is good, where others think it's straight up evil, and i'm not talking about people with some type of disorder.

I'd say, it's just a limiting rule that should be removed.
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Disgraced Yamcha
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Here is my suggestion after a conversation with Alex about this situation:

Improve the special tech;

Dimensional Battling

- Allows for a character to battle another character who also has this ability. Both must be at the fighting grid.

This is a preexisting technique on the site, and just suffers from the "hard to obtain/ EXTREMELY HARD TO COORDINATE syndrome. This technique can easily be tweaked in a way that will allow good players to battle one another. Perhaps adding 1 or two locations in the universe where dimensional battling can be activated out side of the fighting grid, or The technique itself a tad bit more obtainable.

That said not a lot has to be changed about it, if Good players really want to battle one another, go to where only the good are allowed to go. The ND and more specifically the Fighting Grid
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I don't understand the argument Alex continually brings up about a spar. It isn't as exciting as a battle. Evil can battle evil, and neutral can battle anyone. Why not let the goods be able to battle other good people once a month or something?
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Disgraced Yamcha
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*coughs* DIMENSIONAL BATTLING PEOPLE *coughsagain* ITS YOUR ONLYCHANCE
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No way, you'll never make it. Come with the weak shit, I break kids. Step into my zone, mad rhymes will stifle ya, Lines like rifles go blast when I kick some ass. - Guru
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I'm also going to have to say yes to this new suggestion. I mean good is at a super disadvantage as it is with Evil. I think this whole thing about good guys don't go all out against other good guys in the anime. Well this isn't all about the anime we are making our own DBZ universe here. And another thing to knock that argument out, is the fight between me and Goku. Wee were both of +7 alignment and we (At least me) went all out, and i fought with all the ki and all the techniques I possibly could. Why? Because I wanted to prove to IC that Gohan was not someone to be pushed around or just a second rate fighter.

I think it would be great to have good vs good outside of official tourneys. It provides great character interaction, great IC story arcs (Me and Tasuda) and takes care of rivalries as well (again me and Tasuda)

This suggestion is a big fat voting = YES!
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