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Suggestion/petition; (Alex: Please read!)
Topic Started: Sep 8 2009, 07:28 PM (2,687 Views)
Seta
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Don't forget FG, we still gotta continue our little funky arc... <_< Hard to do that if I have to push myself down to neutral.
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wmutrombone83
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Agreed Pan, same here. We diffinitely have some issues now that your full saiyan. But we cant do anything if we are limited to just RPing our way through this. <_< <_<
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True this, it can't fully be expressed in a spar, can it?
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Disgraced Bojack
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EXACTLY.

Everybody's talking about why good people should be able to fight good people.

But I haven't heard the naysayers give us a reason why good players can't fight other good players.
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Disgraced Bojack
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Because with the way things are now, we're missing out on a load of good battles, a load of FUN. After all, isn't that what this RPG is about? Having fun?

I want to see Yamcha vs Tasuda, but that can't happen. And it's all because of the argument that "good players just won't fight other good players."

...How many evil people out there go head-first into battle? So the same argument can be said for them.

Its, quite frankly, a stupid rule. And so is my logic, because I'm high as hell.

(and by evil people, i mean, REAL evil people, not your shitty little characters.)
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I must say this...I agree with the way the site has it right now even though great points of the first could, can, and will be brought up. The fact, however, is that good should not be allowed to fight good EVEN though, like Sanara said, if they had done so in the series it would've helped them out a lot in becoming stronger, BUT they didn't. The reason they did not do this was simply because it wasn't right. So, that being said, i would have to agree with the way things are right now.
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Uub,Sep 9 2009
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I must say this...I agree with the way the site has it right now even though great points of the first could, can, and will be brought up. The fact, however, is that good should not be allowed to fight good EVEN though, like Sanara said, if they had done so in the series it would've helped them out a lot in becoming stronger, BUT they didn't. The reason they did not do this was simply because it wasn't right. So, that being said, i would have to agree with the way things are right now.

LOL THERE WE GO AGAIN. THE SAME EXCUSE EVERY TIME. "IT JUST WASN'T RIGHT."


THIS IS A RPG, GUYS. A RPG. Not some moral compass or something.
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Um...so when you roleplay you don't use personal judgement or common sense that a character you are playing would use in real life just because it is someone in a game? I was certain this was a role playing game where we do bring a character to life through our stories in which they act life like...I guess I was wrong by your 2-dimensional answer of calling this just some game...
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Well umm...good not fighting good?...We have lets see...In dragonball we have...

Yamcha, Chouzu, Master Roshi, Krillin, Yajirobe, Tien, Ox King, Oolong

All of them fighting full force vs one another.

I even remember Tien using his tri beam on goku. It should never be a true heroes intent to kill...even a villian. Even the site gives negative alignment to heroes if they kill a villian. You couldnt even join the z fighters unless you got your ass beat by goku. Keep in mind that not all heroe's or good people in the world are as sinless as goku(Devilmite Beam).

They are also guilty to greed...drinking...pride...Cockyness...self righteousness...different oppinions...ect
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Your being just as close minded Uub and and I don't think you understand the complications this sort of thing creates in the long run. I've already listed reasons why good/good could fight one another, being over zealous, political or racial issues. all these things are very powerful reasons why two good characters could fight one another to the death and never really be wrong or/evil because they are opposing the opposite side.

Push the dimensional battling tweak people, no ones gunna understand this issue till they've been here for ages and its too late.
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But if you put it like that, then...there would be no sense in having any sort of evil or good on the site. Lets say Pico is going around and killing people because of racial issues or even political issues. He's going around cappin' nigga's off for those reasons. What's to say he's evil? He cant be then. That would make alignment non-existent in the case of fighting to the death over evil and good. Was Hitler good aligned or evil aligned for killing jews and etc.?

You just made it quite clear that he could have very well been either one.

So there can either be an alignment system with restriction, OR no alignment system at all. Perhaps it should be that if you feel that an issue is worth fighting someone of other good nature over that one of your are not true to your alignment. Maybe you think you are of good alignment, but instead you are more of a neutral...Ask yourself where you stand and the other person stand on a moral compass, because I can see in many wiki's that people are of good alignment, but do the complete oppisite only because they like the perks or the techs acquired.
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The entire point of being good is to intercept anyone who challenges the peace or whatever. having someone else there to dictate that i cant do something because hes also "good" completely makes any information, story or content that people build up IC irrelevant. Suddenly I can "feel" that some one is good, so we shouldn't fight, never mind the fact that this fool is in opposing faction "A" or has teamed up with worst enemy "B"

Uub, you clearly don't understand the disadvantages here.

Edit: Perks; Wtf are you talking about ?
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He's talking about the skills that you can utilize while in the karma region Yamcha, like certain techniques and stat upgrades that you wouldn't otherwise get unless you were in that faction.

On that note however I lean towards Yamcha's side in that this debate is completely ridiculous. Obviously since this is an RPG and we have already established a far greater story arc never before seen on DBZ because lets face it, the only dynamic character DBZ ever had was Vegeta. He portrayed the most evil and good in people at some points which is why I will tend to agree with "Good" fighters fighting against other "Good" players.

Keep in mind I don't think Vegeta was ever good but I'm sure if we all read between the lines that him and Goku always battled in random occasions. In straight japanese lingo it seemed that Goku and Vegeta always fought over the dumbest of things, especially in GT. Did they want to kill eachother, NO.

Like Bojack had said before, alot of people are missing out on fun battles and realistically we are not playing warcraft or a DBZ MMO or even following the same distinct story line as the manga. It's our own distinct take on it. So GOOD VS GOOD is approved by me.
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Android 13 and that Sanara chick got a point. Lawful Good vs Lawful Good is out. Lawful Good vs Good however should be in. You all seem to forget the World Martial Arts Tournament when Roshi disguised himself as Jacky Chung or whatever and gave Goku the fight of his life at the time.

Good must be allowed to fight just not to kill or steal other Good alignment character's stuff.

So yes. Put my name on.
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Lawful good vs. lawful good is out? What was Goku vs. Uub?
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Goku vs Pikkon? Kaioken Super sayian is holding back i guess.
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Like I said, Goku was always wanting a proper fight, right up to the end of the series with Vegeta.
He loved to fight, he didnt get round to actually killing anyone in the Freiza saga, Vegeta did most of the pwning ;)
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So why not give neutral more advantages and a disadvantage or two. That way people who really feel like beating up a good or bad guy or even both at the same time (Android 13 can do it) then he'll have incentive to stay on neutral. The only reason people leave neutral is because it has only one advantage..... BOOOORING!

But yeah...I'm just saiyan. Get it saying / saiyan. Ag nevermind.
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I must agree with pan here Chisan. Why the hell wouldn't Lawful vs Lawful be able to fight. That too is outrageous. Uub vs Goku at the end of DBZ and beginning of DBGT were both all out fights and both were pretty damn goodie too shoes.

And then someone suggested Jackie Chun vs Goku fight. That too was master vs pupil and thus pretty much Lawful vs Lawful there as well.

If your going to ban lawful vs lawful goods, then by default good vs good needs to also be banned because it is not fair for those who are lawful good and just want a full head on fight with another lawful good person who is their rival or something else. This idea of lawfuls not being able to fight one another is a dumb one in itself!!
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Most of the battles your mentioning (goku vs Pikkon, goku vs jackiechun, tien vs yamcha) are from tournaments, where it's acceptable for lawful good peeps to dish it out.
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Actually, Uub wasn't exactly Lawful Good, unless you consider him leaving his village to make them a few extra dollars to get through the drought as "Lawful" Good.

But still, Good Vs Good should be allowed.

And even that Dimensional Battling thing.
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Well umm...good not fighting good?...We have lets see...In dragonball we have...

Yamcha, Chouzu, Master Roshi, Krillin, Yajirobe, Tien, Ox King, Oolong

All of them fighting full force vs one another.

I even remember Tien using his tri beam on goku. It should never be a true heroes intent to kill...even a villian. Even the site gives negative alignment to heroes if they kill a villian. You couldnt even join the z fighters unless you got your ass beat by goku. Keep in mind that not all heroe's or good people in the world are as sinless as goku(Devilmite Beam).

They are also guilty to greed...drinking...pride...Cockyness...self righteousness...different oppinions...ect

All of those were in tournament battles or when the characters weren't considered good. Tien started out evil remember?

Every battle people are mentioning here about good vs good has been in tournament battles. Tournament battles have NEVER been a fight to the death. Which is what battles on the site are intended to be, a fight to the death.

Yamcha's idea is a good one though. Creating fighting grids around the universe that people can go to and battle no matter what the alignment, I just dont think they should gain the full battle gains from that, maybe scale them down ever so slightly so good players don't just use it to boost each other. There's already an overwhelming number of good characters on the site and they already have a large number of advantages against evil characters why should they get more?
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Ra does have a point and by the looks of it, there are more good characters than evil ones. If there wasn't, this huge realization of not being able to fight other good players ever (only during special site tournaments/events) wouldn't have been brought about.

Now by allowing for Lawful Good to battle Lawful Good would just further more increase the number of Lawful Good players on the site. In my opinion really, that rule was created to try and cut down on the number of Lawful Good members on the site. And you can see even with that, there's still a large number of them floating around.

Nobody forces you to be good align and nobody forces you to be bad. But the advantages/disadvantages are always an aspect you should look at (that is if you really won't care about them).

I do like the Dimensional Battling Grid idea though. :)
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I don't like all these different ideas for battling because it just complicates things, and makes it more of a hassle for everybody, just let good fight good. If one of the good happens to fight and kill another good character he should automatically lose all his alignment points and go back to neutral thereby losing his good nature, if anything.
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