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Topic Started: Sep 8 2009, 07:28 PM (2,686 Views)
nirvana4748
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I think the reason lawful can't fight lawful is because...

a. fight on this site kind of has a connotation with dead people (fights don't usually end peacefully)

b. it promotes power training

Besides, Goku vs. Uub or Jackie Chun or (insert World Tournament player here) is more like a spar than a battle.
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But power training already occurs anyway.
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Well, look at the lawful good bonuses. The HBTC isnt nearly as good as the TOM, think about it. Unless the HBTC is made at least somewhat more comparable to the TOM then i think Lawful good should be able to fight lawful good. And I fight because I love it, I dont go for kills. I wouldn't mind a dimensoinal battling thing too.
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Hey Reddie, guess where lawful good people go to when they get killed? That's right, the ND, and not hell. I wonder if you'd squeal like that if you'd be Evil/Chaotic evil yourself.
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You can escape hell. AND you can learn flames of hell and search for the demon horn. I cant do that
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You can train with King Kai, do more quests and learn more techniques in ND. I can't do that.

Also, what else after Flames of Hell and Demon horn? Hm? Exactly, nothing else.
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Jeice,Sep 9 2009
01:53 PM
You can escape hell. AND you can learn flames of hell and search for the demon horn. I cant do that

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Edit: Anyway, does the ND make up for how bad the HBTC is? No it doesnt, not at all. Double my PL is a lot better than +10k PL
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Double my PL, my ass. Atleast, you've got SOMETHING. For the ToM, we have to perfectly plan it out, AND people will have the chance to try and stop you. I don't see that with the HBTC.
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Double my PL, my ass. Atleast, you've got SOMETHING. For the ToM, we have to perfectly plan it out, AND people will have the chance to try and stop you. I don't see that with the HBTC.

Look at 13 and KC. Nobody tried to stop them and KC was a little stronger then I am now when he used it.
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Double my PL, my ass. Atleast, you've got SOMETHING. For the ToM, we have to perfectly plan it out, AND people will have the chance to try and stop you. I don't see that with the HBTC.

If by plan it out you mean wait for Videl and/or Pan to go on a hiatus, you're right.

Anyways...I think there's a reason that there seem to be better benefits for being evil. As you've all said, most of the site is lawful good. Did you ever think maybe Alex wants a balance between good and evil?
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That nobody tried to stop them, is a different matter. Nobody had the balls to stop them. If you've got the same big talks as when someone else will attempt the ToM, I'd like to see you try and stop them.

Both of them planned it out perfectly, and may even had a few people to back them up. You can hardly blame them for that.


EDIT: I'm stopping after this. I don't think this should happen, although the Dimensional battling idea of Yamcha isn't that bad. Everything is pretty balanced at the moment.
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That nobody tried to stop them, is a different matter. Nobody had the balls to stop them. If you've got the same big talks as when someone else will attempt the ToM, I'd like to see you try and stop them.

Both of them planned it out perfectly, and may even had a few people to back them up. You can hardly blame them for that.


EDIT: I'm stopping after this. I don't think this should happen, although the Dimensional battling idea of Yamcha isn't that bad. Everything is pretty balanced at the moment.

I didn't blame KC or Android 13, they did a good job not being attacked. And I wouldn't have stood a chance when both of them planted their TOM, it would be a total waste of their time.

I'm done arguing here too, its pointless. I like the idea of Dimensional battling and I like the idea of Good fighting Good and Lawful Good fighting Lawful Good.
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You know, there is alot of points here that I never even thought of, Alex really put some thought into this one and I can now see the balance in alot of it. I agree, it should be kept the same and I am removing my name from this list. I think it should remain the same.

Yamcha's idea is a really good one however, I will agree with this dimensional battling only because tournaments are far and wide around here from what I've seen. I also think that the stats should be lowered from battles as well.
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02:12 PM
That nobody tried to stop them, is a different matter. Nobody had the balls to stop them. If you've got the same big talks as when someone else will attempt the ToM, I'd like to see you try and stop them.

Both of them planned it out perfectly, and may even had a few people to back them up. You can hardly blame them for that.


EDIT: I'm stopping after this. I don't think this should happen, although the Dimensional battling idea of Yamcha isn't that bad. Everything is pretty balanced at the moment.

Anyone who agrees with this need to get fucked in the head with a .45. over and over, since when did it become my job to scourer the universe for fights against evil, with people I've never even met, I don't recall that being a requirement for good characters. Hell from the description and benefits listed by alignment page, its like we are SUPPOSE to not fight one another. Way to promote meta gaming. I'm tired of all of the evil aligned character coming in here to promote there power leveling ways.

Hell I was gone for a period of perhaps...1 and a half months and in that time KC jumped from a very small power level to what he is about now. If power leveling is prevalent in the Rpg now among evil align characters then i don't know where your head is.

I mean by your rational we are rewarding those whom plan ahead in the rpg , who think out side the box and I commend KC and 13 for doing so, these motherfuckers are persistent and great overall guys. but where is our reward for planning ahead, where is the lawful good benefit ?

Push the dimensional battling cause these stupid fucks are never going to get it through there heads.
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Well if you don't like being good then don't...pretty simple.
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Exactly, how would the good know about that? Battles have to have a reason, anyone who does stuff without putting some thought into how they are furthering their character, needs to take a look at what role-playing really is. You can't just say 'Hey, I felt you over here on this planet, whatcha dooooin? Oh, planting a ToM? Well then...let's fight.' Right...
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Uub,Sep 9 2009
03:03 PM
Well if you don't like being good then don't...pretty simple.

Me: I mean by your rational we are rewarding those whom plan ahead in the rpg , who think out side the box and I commend KC and 13 for doing so, these motherfuckers are persistent and great overall guys. but where is our reward for planning ahead, where is the lawful good benefit ?
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There really isn't. You don't have to plan ahead with the HBTC or anything like that.
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Yamcha,Sep 9 2009
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Me: I mean by your rational we are rewarding those whom plan ahead in the rpg , who think out side the box and I commend KC and 13 for doing so, these motherfuckers are persistent and great overall guys. but where is our reward for planning ahead, where is the lawful good benefit ?

Believe me, I'd love some more lawful good benefits.

But I think a big benefit of being lawful good is having the majority of the site on the same side as you. It's all a balancing act. People are going to be more inclined to be good most of the time. Alex needs a hook to get people to be evil.
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Fuck the lawful good benefits and the evil benefits. They have WAY more than the neutral benefits. What if I want to be neutral? Where is my slice of the pie?

That's WAY more a reasonable argument than this crap about lawful good/evil.
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Uub,Sep 9 2009
03:13 PM
Fuck the lawful good benefits and the evil benefits. They have WAY more than the neutral benefits. What if I want to be neutral? Where is my slice of the pie?

That's WAY more a reasonable argument than this crap about lawful good/evil.

Agreed.
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Pan,Sep 9 2009
03:09 PM
There really isn't. You don't have to plan ahead with the HBTC or anything like that.

Exactly, there is no reward for actually have a well thought out plan as a good player. there is no reward for that sort of thing where being evil revolvers around having things planned out. you can just sit in your own little corner of the universe and fight each other once a week and rape the battle bonuses and plan out a TOM latter in the future.

So where is the mirrored opposite for good, where I ask ? lol
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Fuck the lawful good benefits and the evil benefits. They have WAY more than the neutral benefits. What if I want to be neutral? Where is my slice of the pie?

That's WAY more a reasonable argument than this crap about lawful good/evil.

Tasuda and myself have attempted to add a few more bonuses for neutral alignment in regards to training. The ball is in Alex's court with the rest of the patch content.
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The only tweak that I think good needs is being able to kill evil players in battle. I've already explained myself on the "power level is all that matters so let's give good a chance to be as powerful as evil even though good has way more players than evil" debate.
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