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Suggestion; Super Forms
Topic Started: Oct 4 2009, 08:14 AM (1,397 Views)
OldGoku222
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Gamo you misread and gave the same critique as our little buddy, Geist. I never said make it easier to get did I? Why not ask me is it meant so we could get it easier? If you did and I answered. This conversation would have far less insults in apparently.

I don't remember insulting anyone quite frankly. I said if you did this instead of this you will be that. Never said L is an idiot and you are a buffoon. No, I never said anything of the like.

Son, to get to 50k takes months and months. Even if you fight stronger opponent it's going to be a job to get your det up.
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So its acceptable to call people retards now?

And you told us to "stop crying like babies".

We are simply talking about your ideas, yet you snap back with the "retards" remark and the fact we "should grow up"
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I would say about 6-8 people here are over 50K Power Level and all they would have to do is switch to Saiyjins and BAM! They have super saiyan. I frankly think that is retarded, RP wise Super Saiyan is heaven so even the stat reduction on it doesn't make it any less awesome.....
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Dende, look around. I am all up for changes that are reasonable, but making SSJ easier to achieve would make this site boring.

Like Gamo says, making it easier to get would be worthless and boring.

That wasnt a whine, I simply shot down your idea because i still SSJ should be one of the hardest things to achieve, something that takes months and months to achieve.

I do remember how you criticised my genuine idea of Roleplayer's Award without a genuine reason.
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I spoke in haste. Please do forgive me. My anger has done ruined this day. So I apologize for any forward insult I have given and pray forget any serpents words that has been said. So now, Sir. Let me be. I do not wish to bite my thumb at thee.

Well, exactly dear Gamo fair knight who wears tights. Not gay at all but heroic I'd say. Decreasing the stats of one was because another rules the day. (SS4)
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As a memorial to yamcha "Gay!"
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I just worked it out, you would only need 25 dp to gain the 150 det required for ssj.

And to gain dp you have to quest and battling, so you might use even less.

As for the Dende remark, I like how you single me out, yet there were several who thought your idea was a needless change.
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Goku, I'm going to be frank here (You can be Joe, if you like) and say that I do not like any of these ideas what-so-ever.

The current saiyan transformations are fine, and Super Saiyan is perhaps a bit over-powered for it's low requirement. Raise it another 20-30k and it'll be great.

There is no need to go beyond Super Saiyan Level One; why would you? Super Saiyan could beat Changeling Form 5, any namekian, human, or alien transformation easily. Leave them alone.

The best thing you could do for the transformations is to give them more unique-ness by making them lack in some areas, while excelling in others, that way it's not about whoever has the highest gains on a transformation.
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Either way you still forget I said it's about the structure. People who do not listen are fools really.

Who's Joe?
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I just worked it out, you would only need 25 dp to gain the 150 det required for ssj.

And to gain dp you have to quest and battling, so you might use even less.

As for the Dende remark, I like how you single me out, yet there were several who thought your idea was a needless change.

I'm not singling you out. I met you here and that was why I said.
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He said lets be Frank here, it was a pun(albeit a very bad one!) :)
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You all suck big throbbing penises, now can we get back to the topic at hand?
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Oh. I get it now. Smart one buddy. Keep it up.

Digu if you read the example. You'll see the only race who isn't that strong is humans. All the other Races end with +1750 + 75% all stats.

All I did was spread saiyan and changeling transformation out and gave everyone at least three transformations.

I don't see why you guys are putting emphasis on super saiyan when demons and androids are the strongest races at the moment.

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I would agree with you if you decrease a few transformations.
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Like the number of transformation or what?

You see if you look at the example you'll see all transformations has a ki/action thingy. Super Saiyan's being the highest. Negative for Super Saiyan.

If you look closely SS is the hardest to get still.

If you look even closer you'll see that Demon is the strongest and gets their last transformation rather fast.

If you look through a magnifying glass you'll see this also solves the problem of alignment and everyone trying to be good. If you are a changeling you won't have to be evil but like hell are you going to transform if you're not.

If you look through a telescope you'll noticed I used smaller number so no to make it impossibility hard to get for the example and obviously Alex would decide on the level if he chose to use my structure which he probably won't so I don't know why it's such a big deal.

That was for the rest. I'm listening Dende.
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You got a pretty good point there.

I half agree and half disagree.

Agree: 50.0001%
Disagree:49.9999%

Thing is that super forms is what DBZ is all about.
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I can't really see how everything looks so unbalanced to you.

Androids and Demons may get their transformations sooner (PL wise), but they get less gains from the super form.

As for Super Saiyans, they need less determination than the other races for their super form. Also, their extra ki drain (weighing in at a whole 0.1% ;O) balances out that they have bigger gains than most other races and that Changelings take quite a while in battle to transform into their final form, time that the Super Saiyan can spend fighting.

I know the structure at the moment is not very rigorous, but the super forms in DBZ are generally just not rigorous. I think a bit of diversity just makes the super forms more fun.
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I have no problem with adding Super Saiyan 2, 3 and 4... if you don't change the 125,000 PL needed to reach Super Saiyan 1.
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I, personally, would hate the addition of SSJ4. It just makes the concept of becoming a 'SSJ' less 'wow'.

Edit: Even SSJ3 is pushing it for me however SSJ2 works in the way your pushing yourself further. But really, how far can one push themselves?
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I still don't feel we need any more additions to the Saiyan transformations. Personally I think even Super Saiyan 2 would ruin the concept of a Super Saiyan on this site. Right now whoever becomes a Super Saiyan would be held in the highest regard, and that's just.. well, cool =D. The legends are about the Super Saiyan, not the Super Saiyan 4 >.>
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I agree with you. But, SSJ2 is something to aim for once you've achieved SSJ. Really it's down to opinion, I guess. I quite like SSJ2 myself.
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I suppose Super Saiyan 2 is quite good to be fair, before everyone started achieving it and whathaveyou.

Still, if anything is ever implemented into the RPG I wouldn't want to see the current status of Super Saiyan downgraded by requirement drops or whatever.
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None of the requirements have to drop. I just made an example. Have you seen how adult gohan looks in super saiyan 4 or trunks. I swear vegeta is wearing a true religoin (duno how to spel it right i think) jean in ss4 and the black hair with a red fur coat. Dude that's hot. Just add the transformations. Don't make ss4 to strong matter of fact you can make it the weakest. I will beat all of you eventually so it doesn't matter. Just add it. It's cool. If I don't die I will get to ss4. Just add it.
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But SS4 SUUUUCCCKKS >.> I still don't see what's wrong with having Super Saiyan as the best transformation for the Saiyans? It doesn't leave anybody any worse off, just means that saiyans can actually aspire to become a super saiyan rather than a super saiyan nine million or whatever stage is rushed into a storyline next.
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I agree with Piccolo. Why is it a problem to have Giji where it is, and Super Saiyan as the end-all-be-all for saiyans?
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