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| Topic Started: Oct 6 2009, 10:24 AM (1,244 Views) | |
| nirvana4748 | Oct 6 2009, 05:15 PM Post #26 |
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DBZ was also supposed to end after SSJ1... |
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| Seta | Oct 6 2009, 05:15 PM Post #27 |
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I would like to think that Razak doesn't want to make this site into a super saiyan fest. I think we can all agree DBZ got utterly ridiculous past SSJ2. Why don't you try getting the first super form before you try changing every god damn thing on the site? |
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| Deus | Oct 6 2009, 05:18 PM Post #28 |
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Thank you, you kind of proved my point. Akira only continued making DBZ because of the number of fans that wanted it to go on. And then, to top it all off, people continued DBGT after Akira was done and added yet more saiyan forms. Ridiculous, no? |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 6 2009, 05:20 PM Post #29 |
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So we only have 17-18 people on this site? I didn't even vote did you know that. 8-9 to 11. Hmmm sound like a I don't know great win. Either way Pan, you think, let Razak speak for him self. You are not his brain and you can't decide for him. I thought you are such a christian but why do you use the Lord's name in vain, Pan. Rock solid, I don't forget a thing. I got all my bases covered. Question Pan. Did you watch DBZ until the end of it and did you watch GT as well? I'll find something where you said you do so don't bother lying. Yes or no is enough for now. |
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| Seta | Oct 6 2009, 05:25 PM Post #30 |
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Dude, I'm a PAGAN. I have told this to you time and time again. I am a Pagan of the Celtic variety. God betrayed me. You can keep your God. DBZ, I watched up until Gohan got Mystic. As for DBGT, I saw about 3 episodes online. That has nothing to do with anything. I have seen the episodes with SSJ3 and episodes with SSJ4. I have also roleplayed with people who decided to take their characters to SSJ5 and beyond. It was annoying as all hell. |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 6 2009, 05:28 PM Post #31 |
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Wonder why you watched it then. |
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| Seta | Oct 6 2009, 05:29 PM Post #32 |
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For non-pussified Vegeta of course. I had a cartoon crush on him. |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 6 2009, 05:36 PM Post #33 |
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lol whatever Pan. All forms should be added. |
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| nirvana4748 | Oct 6 2009, 05:41 PM Post #34 |
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That's a good argument, but it's getting old. |
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| ryostrata | Oct 6 2009, 05:52 PM Post #35 |
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This is true. As I have already stated. Besides, story goes that Goku could only achieve SSj3 after immense training in the ND. I think it was the equivalent of like 300+ years of ND time to reach that level. So, if he never died he would have never attained that level. Gotenks only achieved it because of his immense power and the ability to mimic the transformation. |
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| Tambourine | Oct 6 2009, 05:59 PM Post #36 |
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It's easy to think you will stay forever here... but you probably won't. You will get bored of roleplaying, will get banned for whatever reason, or will be forced to quit for misc reasons. For me, getting a Super Form is a proof of determination from the user, and very few people manage to stay determined through so much time. |
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| Alex | Oct 6 2009, 06:13 PM Post #37 |
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I been here 10 years... |
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| Seta | Oct 6 2009, 06:22 PM Post #38 |
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:lol: You don't count Alex. |
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| bizkitboylee100 | Oct 6 2009, 07:44 PM Post #39 |
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qft! |
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| BannedZeshin | Oct 6 2009, 07:56 PM Post #40 |
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what? |
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| nirvana4748 | Oct 6 2009, 08:00 PM Post #41 |
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QFT is 4chan talk. It's meaning is up for debate... Some, mostly followers of that annoying blonde chick that wanted her to be the new "Queen of /b/," believe it means Quite F**king True. For the most part though, people will agree that it means Quoted For Truth. |
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| Komandr | Oct 6 2009, 11:13 PM Post #42 |
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This thread just keeps getting better and better. *pokes Goku with a stick to get him even more riled up* |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 7 2009, 04:13 AM Post #43 |
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Lol nah, I'm really not trying to fight, just standing up for what I believe. Either way even if I piss a few people of that just means when we do fight they'll try to kill me. I actually wish now I did add, must have trained in the ND for SS3 because I wanted to do so. It's still on my cell phone because it was bothering me and I couldn't sleep until I went over the super forms. You must have done all the fighting grid quests in the ND to be able to achieve SS3 as a special requirement. Problem solved. You are actually contradicting yourself by saying Goku was in the ND when all of us can go there too. So your argument is invalid sorry. I don't see the problem, add all the super forms. Let's see if people won't actually try to get them. People who really don't want them can stay SS or SS2 if they want. Goten and Trunks never went past SS unless they were fused. Gohan never past SS2 and mystic doesn't count as a SS transformation. Vegeta never reached SS3 since he couldn't train in the ND. He did however get SS4 because of the machine Bulma made. So SS3 must have done all the fighting grid quests and have been in the ND at least twice. SS four you can get by paying a lot of SP to achieve Golden Ouzaru. Why, the more you can control it the less change you have from exploding in rage and killing your self and add that Bulma machine as a donation item to avoid having to use the SP path of becoming a SS4. |
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| Deus | Oct 7 2009, 04:21 AM Post #44 |
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Goku never achieved SSJ3 in the next dimension. He was on Earth, dead, but on Earth. He gained SSJ3 by pushing beyond the limit at SSJ2. He actually stated it was his first time in that form since it took so long. Also, Gotenks had reached SSJ3 and he never died or anything. My theory is that Vegeta never reached SSJ3 because he lacked emotions. |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 7 2009, 04:26 AM Post #45 |
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Didn't Goku say he achieved it in the ND after or before his fight with Pikkon. Since Razak liked Pikkon he could answer that. Either way your argument helps the cause for the super forms even more. Thanks buddy. Weren't you Alex just yesterday? |
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| Deus | Oct 7 2009, 04:29 AM Post #46 |
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So I'm noticed Yes, I was Alex. But i changed because it got confusing, everyone kept talking about Alex, but not me So i changed.Goku had never used SSJ3 before his first fight with buu. He never knew he had it, he just knew he had the power to attain it. |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 7 2009, 04:36 AM Post #47 |
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Either way it still helps the argument and should help making SS3 a little easier. |
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| Seta | Oct 7 2009, 06:03 AM Post #48 |
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Where the 3rd Stage Super Saiyan's purpose was 100% utilization of physical stamina, the purpose of the Super Saiyan 3 transformation is to increase the utilization of ki, and as a result, the transformation rapidly consumes the energy of the user, which leads to extended levels of fatigue, even long after powering down. (If the user has died and isn't encumbered by a living body, this strain is reduced somewhat, and additional energy depletion is minimized.) In Goku's case, however, we can infer that the fatigue may only be due to the fact that he hadn't had much time to practice the transformation, which he stated in his initial demonstration of the form to Majin Buu. Likewise, when Super Saiyan 3 Goku attempted to regain energy while Vegeta and Mr. Satan distracted Kid Buu, he wasn't able to recover the strength needed, thus draining his power completely and leaving him in a weakened, normal state where he couldn't even control the Spirit Bomb until his power was restored by the Namekian Dragon Balls. Goku himself had little experience with the transformation, and performing it twice in a short time brought him to his knees and expended all of his remaining energy. (In the manga, he does not revert to his original form until after Vegeta intervenes to buy him the minute that he needed, however.) The time is reduced even further when he is turned back into a child in Dragon Ball GT, where he can only hold the transformation for a couple of seconds. This limit was lifted somewhat after Goku's tail was restored with the help of Elder Kai, allowing him to sustain the form for a longer duration, though he was still no match for Super Baby Vegeta in this state. Goku first used the Super Saiyan 3 transformation in a brief battle against Majin Buu in order to stall him long enough for Trunks to find the Dragon Radar. He was able to overtake the monster, completely outmatching him blow for blow, though the obese version had yet to freely demonstrate his full power by getting angry at the time. He eventually retreated from the fight, as he wanted Goten and Trunks to defeat Buu with their fusion technique, as he "wouldn't be around forever." (He later states he may have been able to kill Buu if he really tried, though he nevertheless holds complete faith in Gotenks' ability to destroy him, if they were to try the Fusion Dance as Super Saiyans.) This form was next seen used by Gotenks, the fusion between Goten and Trunks. While in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, Piccolo destroys the only entrance in or out of the dimension, in hopes of trapping Super Buu inside, when he believes that Gotenks has lost and that the universe will be destroyed. Unfortunately, Buu was able to escape by ripping the dimensions open using intense sound waves from his own voice when he became angry at the thought of not having anymore sweets. Gotenks followed suit by transforming into a Super Saiyan 3 and ripping a hole in the dimensions in a similar fashion, allowing himself and Piccolo to escape. Once outside, Gotenks battled Super Buu in earnest, only to prematurely separate into Goten and Trunks before delivering the final blow after overwhelming him (the transformation had presumably drained Goten and Trunks' individual reserves as Gotenks, and because Goten and Trunks had differing power levels, the fusion destabilized). In Dragon Ball Z movie #12: Fusion Reborn, Goku used the Super Saiyan 3 transformation to defeat Janemba, only to have his foe transform into an even more powerful state. This new form tested the limits of Super Saiyan 3, and despite holding his own for a good while, Goku was eventually defeated in battle. It took the combined efforts of Goku and Vegeta, fused into Gogeta, to take down the demon.The transformation was truly pushed to the breaking point in the final battle against Kid Buu. Despite using his full power as a Super Saiyan 3 from the very start (in the anime Goku started off as a Super Saiyan 2 before ascending), Goku had difficulty competing with the seemingly endless power supply of the Majin. Though he had an enormous advantage for most of the fight before the ki drain became evident, his attacks seemed to be useless against Buu, and the transformation eventually caused his collapse from exhaustion. He later reveals that he may have been able to destroy Kid Buu when at full power, but let the fight drag on to give Vegeta a shot. Vegeta then powers up to Super Saiyan 2 in order to buy him the time that he needed to get back up to full strength, but the immense stress of trying to gather his power forced him to revert to his normal state before reaching his maximum potential, leaving him heavily drained and unable to transform. It took a Super Spirit Bomb gathered from all the energies of Earth, the Ogres in Yemma's office, and the Namekian villagers that resided with Moori on New Namek, to finish the demon, and the form is never seen in the main manga storyline again. In Dragonball Z movie #13: Wrath of the Dragon, Goku battled the evil monster Hirudegarn in his Super Saiyan 3 form. He was only able to kill the monster by using his Dragon Fist technique. Goten and Trunks also fused into Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks during the fight with Hirudegarn. He used his Continuous Die Die Missle attack on Hirudegarn's first stage, followed by a ki blast which seemed successful in destroying the monster. However, Hirudegarn was still alive and transformed into his second form and swatted Gotenks into the ground, hitting him so heavily that he defused and reverted back to Goten and Trunks. |
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| Komandr | Oct 7 2009, 08:04 AM Post #49 |
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Pan, you are my hero. Goku, if we allow ss2,3,4 ect. Then what about the other trasformations? It was already evident in the manga that the only thing that could go toe to toe with a super saiyan was Form 5 of the changeling family. (and every other villian in the "series," however that was never ment to be included) The story line was supposed to end at the frieza saga, the only super saiyan dies taking down Frieza. End story, game over, everyone lives happily ever after. BUT NOOOOOO. DBZ fanatics demanded more, thus resulting in the ss2,3,4, USSJ, Giji, Super KaioKen, ect. Ridiculous. What happened to the "Ledgendary Super Saiyan" Suddenly, everyone and their mothers were becoming super saiyans. So toyoma (or whatever his name is) went back to the drawing boards and came up with Broly. "There," he said, "That is the Legendary Super Saiyan," So what about Goku's super saiyan? Did it become un-legendary. If you ask me, everything after the Frieza saga was a giant F*ck up, attempting to reclaim his former glory. My point is this. We should leave it how it is because: A: the transformations are balanced B: SS2 and above is taking away from the lore, C: DBGT sucks |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 7 2009, 08:10 AM Post #50 |
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What's your point? You just relayed information people who has watched the show and movies already knew. Thought you said you stopped watching DBZ before the Kid Buu v.s Goku SS3 fight when I asked you about it. Funny how you keep on contradicting yourself. The poll means nothing now since it was under pretense of a hypocritical mind set. Again before you forget. What was your point with the long post? |
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