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| Topic Started: Oct 11 2009, 02:09 AM (721 Views) | |
| Angira | Oct 11 2009, 02:09 AM Post #1 |
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Just a suggestion, but it's something I know a lot of people liked. RP Battling. Basic run down: + Each player controls both characters and writes a post vs the other person's post. Judgement occurs after 5 posts each and are as follows: Player 1: Intro Post Player 2: Intro Post Player 1: Battle Post Player 2: Battle Post Player 1: Battle Post Player 2: Battle Post Player 1: Battle Post Player 2: Battle Post Player 1: Battle Post Player 2: Battle Post Judgement Judgement is based off of 3 Categories: + Realism: How well did the players portray their characters, their opponents, and how realistic did they RP the battle. + Entertainment: How did reading the posts make the judge feel. Where they interested to continue reading or did they want to shoot themselves before the end. + Fundimentals: Spelling, grammar, punctuation. Each category is given a score of 1 - 5 (1 being horrible, 5 being perfect), for each post. At the end, the total scores are tallied up and the highest score wins. Perks of this Battle system: + 100% based on RP ability. Stats would only really count for the realism aspect of the battling. + No need to worry about messing up ki loss/drains, or action costs. + Allows the lower power levels a huge chance to defeat higher power levels. Key things you should know. + You control BOTH characters. I know, I know. Godmodding/meta gaming. The point of RP battles is to RP a story together. If say, my opponent RP'd kicking the crap out of me, I would just reply with my getting my ass handed to me. That would keep with the flow of the RP and would seriously add to my realism. But if someone that was 10,000 PL suddenly beat on a 100,000 PL, obviously the 10,000 PL's realism would take a huge hit. + Max of 800 words per post. Remember, it's a writing battle/contest, not an essay/novel page. + Technique restrictions still exist, but in less of a statistical way and more in a "realistic" way. If you can only use a technique twice, you can still only use it twice. If it has a heavy drain on your ki, it should effect you in the RPs as well. Overall, this is a great system, completely and utterly non-mathematical, and RP based. It eliminates difficulty on all levels and the Judge would have a simpler job in the end. If need be, I can post an example of one. |
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| oracle | Oct 11 2009, 02:15 AM Post #2 |
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I. Love. You! This will really allow some of us writers who are not good with on the fly spars a chance to really show their meddle in a battle using the English Language at it's best, and gives more freedom with their character. This could create some EPIC battles. |
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| Theo | Oct 11 2009, 02:17 AM Post #3 |
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It is a good idea but how can a 10,00 pl person defeat a 100,000 pl person that is actually god moding. |
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| Angira | Oct 11 2009, 02:21 AM Post #4 |
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It really can. I had an RP battle against Nappa, who had lost his eyes in a previous battle, and needless to say, it was beyond great lol. It actually ended in a draw, but it was really, really fun. It took out the main advantage of the Stats based battles and made you push yourself to write better than your opponent rather than rely soley upon the length of time you've been on the RPG. While some won't like this idea, I'm hoping that the more hardcore writers will. Because, in the end, that is what this form of battling is for. Though you can write as much as you'd like in a stat battle, it's just not the same as an RP battle. In a stat battle, you might throw 3-10 actions, but in an RP Battle, you have unlimited actions, but only 800 words to get them in and they have to be realistic. And yes, Newbies with 2,000 PLs may very well end up defeating 100,000 PLs because it's completely based on RP ability, instead of stats. That being said, it'd also be highly unlikely that the judge would give the match to someone 98,000 PL lower than their opponent, unless the other person RP'ed rather horribly.
That's where realism comes in. If you're only 10,000 PL, you're not going to be able to do a whole lot of damage, but something you have to remember is this; it's not always strength that matters. Just because you're a lot stronger than me doesn't mean you should win. What if I tricked you into falling into a pit of lava? What if I constantly made you strike your own body, or expend your energy to the point of passing out? If the 100,000 PL person sits there and just works on the 10,000 PL person, but their RPs are horrible, but the 10,000 PL person writes that they're getting their ass handed to them and they wow you with their story, that's how the 10,000 PL person would win. If they're about equal, then obviously the 100,000 PL would win. Remember, RP battles are about who can write the battle better than the other person, not about how much damage you can do. |
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| Theo | Oct 11 2009, 02:24 AM Post #5 |
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Are you telling me that you imagine Mr. Satan defeating Vegitto? |
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| Angira | Oct 11 2009, 02:30 AM Post #6 |
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If Mr. Satan wrote like this: Satan leapt over the Saiyan's leg, only to find himself being driven face first into the lose gravel below. Blood exploded from his nose as his face skid to a stop over the rough earthen surface; the damage was not enough to keep him down. Placing his hands against the ground, he lifted himself from the dirt, only to find a sphere of energy slam against his torso, throwing him backwards and back to the ground once again. And then Vegetto wrote like this: Vegetto jumped into the air. He spotted Satan. He lifting his arm and threw a ki blast at his foe. Vegtteo did a back flip and looked at his foe. His foe did not attempted to block his energy blast. The huaman his the gournd. Blood escaped through his noise. Another blast was struck into the saiyans foe. Of course Satan would win. It's based on realism (Satan said he was getting rocked), Entertainment (I happened to like it when I wrote it xD), Fundimentals (Look at all of the spelling and grammar issues in Vegetto's actions. The point is, it's supposed to be about how well you write the story, not who has the most power. |
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| oracle | Oct 11 2009, 02:30 AM Post #7 |
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Coming from experience, this form is called Sim Battling. A basic simulated battle in the Unorthodoxed way. I know, I just used some big words there. On other RP forums this is what it is called. There is Hybrid, Orthodoxed, and Unorthodoxed style of RP Battles. Hybrid is a half and half of the two. This is where you can auto hit, and allow your opponent decide how much damage is taken and how badly those auto hits had done to your character. Orthodoxed is the style used here: No auto hits, no god moding, and using your stats instead of relying on your RP abilities. However, the advantage of this style is that you have a certain number of moves allowed in your posts or actions, so you have to strategize more on your battles. Unorthodoxed is an all out Battle Royal. Auto hits are allowed and its up to you to respect your opponenent but also allowing you to beat the snot out of them in the most cruelest of fashions. I personally like Hybrid Battles. You have freedom to go balls to the walls with your attacks, but you allow your opponent the courtesy of how badly those hits hurt. I've been sim battling as Tseng from Shin-ra over 4 years. I'm quite proud of my successfull Sim battling record from back in the days. This really does help pump some creative juices into your skull. It gives you the battle the way you imagine it in your head. |
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| Deus | Oct 11 2009, 04:59 AM Post #8 |
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I'll back Rei-rei up here o.O |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 11 2009, 06:07 AM Post #9 |
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Yamcha where did you sim battle as a FF7 character and is Cloud still available? That being said I think Orthodox and Unorthodox battle are a good idea. The two combatants will both have to agree on which type of battle they are going to have. The only problem that might occur is when one wants this type of battle and the other guy wants the other type of battle. |
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| OldAndroid17 | Oct 11 2009, 06:17 AM Post #10 |
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If they can't decide they don't battle. But, usually if someone is challenged to an RP Battle, from experienced, they'll normally be to proud to back down. And, I Love This! And I've missed it! I need this for my sanity! (If it don't happen, I'll just RP 17 insane so no problems.) |
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| OldGoku222 | Oct 11 2009, 06:22 AM Post #11 |
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I'll decline. My RP skills are suspect lol I work on tactics. |
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| Blank | Oct 11 2009, 08:36 AM Post #12 |
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I'm going to disagree with this suggestion. It's a well thought out suggestion, but I don't think that it would work for this site. I assume that one of the main reasons for this was so that people can really roleplay out a battle etc. But really, we can do that anyway in a battle. I can just imagine RP battles taking over the 'satistic battles' because lower level PLs will demand to fight the highers, beat them and gain massive stats. But then really... what is the point of stats after the introduction of RP battles? The point of stats are so that you can have an advantage over your opponent, displaying your hard work, effort and power. |
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| OldAndroid17 | Oct 11 2009, 08:44 AM Post #13 |
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When this was on Fallen, it was Stat Battles which really dominated and RP Battles were used very rarely. They did, however, become some what more popular near the end of Fallen. Edit: Basically, you don't know which will be used more. And, afterall, it is an RPG. |
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| Flute | Oct 11 2009, 09:23 AM Post #14 |
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To maybe clarify Reijin's example even if it's pretty clear now, basically what he's been saying is in an RP only battle, it doesn't matter what happens. You could be 1,000 pl and your opponent is 10,000 pl. You write getting your ass handed to you better than he wrote handing your ass to you. On another note, if we introduce these then you have to remember, who is going to fight someone in a pure rp battle when A. They know they might lose or B. They have a huge pl advantage and lack seeing a point in battling someone who has a really low pl. Like for instance I can't see Videl battling someone in an rp battle that just started when they have nothing ICly she wants with them. Anyone can tell when someone just wants stats and if it's someone who if just trying to get that % off of her pl then she isn't even going to bother with them. Another thing is I doubt we would allow sneak attack RP battles because forcing someone into a battle like that who may however not be as skilled as you are in it is rather stupid. The only thing I disagree with is 800 words...Reijin you know I'm long winded in description, damn you! xD |
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| BannedZeshin | Oct 11 2009, 09:27 AM Post #15 |
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We already got something like that. it's called Rp bonuses. In battle if you have displayed superior writing skills then your stats increase by 10%, giving you the edge or evening things up. If it does little or nothing to help you out then I would have to ask you WHY THE HELL ARE YOU BATTLING SOMEONE SO MUCH STRONGER THAN YOU!?!? |
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| Flute | Oct 11 2009, 09:29 AM Post #16 |
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Just to say on a side note, the point of this isn't about just battling people stronger than you. It was just mainly mentioned. This is more about a pure rp fight over a stat rp fight...though...I just confused myself >.<. |
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| BannedZeshin | Oct 11 2009, 09:30 AM Post #17 |
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But this is a stat based rp....... |
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| Seta | Oct 11 2009, 09:30 AM Post #18 |
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Just a note, this is kinda what our roleplay tournaments are. I dunno really, I guess this could possibly be implemented. I've seen it done before but it never really took off, because so many people preferred a more structured environnment. With that said, I can imagine myself participating in one or two just for shits and giggles. |
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| Theo | Oct 11 2009, 09:49 AM Post #19 |
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I disagree. We spend months trying to make our character powerful and to win this battle we need to lose deliberately to win. |
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| Seta | Oct 11 2009, 09:55 AM Post #20 |
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*blinks* Either my drugs are working quicker than they should...or that made NO sense whatsoever. |
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| Tambourine | Oct 11 2009, 10:11 AM Post #21 |
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This could be added as a new type of battle, just not throwing the classic type away. This seems like a good idea. |
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| nirvana4748 | Oct 11 2009, 11:18 AM Post #22 |
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It's an interesting idea but it promotes God modding and turns it from co-op roleplaying into fan fiction tbh. |
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| Angira | Oct 11 2009, 12:34 PM Post #23 |
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Just going to toss some stuff out. Razak want's to promote more RP based things. And whether you write 100 words or 100,000 words, it's all Fan Fiction. The idea behind RP battles is to promote intense battles without limitations. How often do you see Goku fighting someone and only throw 3 actions and then wait for his opponent? And contrary to popular belief, there is no way that you can win an RP battle via God Moding. God moding would destroy your realism points and thus, you'd lose. The idea is for two people to create a story based battle against one another without being limited to a certain amount of restrictions. And yeah, I know that you can RP until your hearts content, but unless you want to RP about random nothingness or the 3 actions that you're performing, you're seriously limited to what you can do. Not to mention, this settles the "who is better than who" deal. I can't stand losing to someone because my characters weaker, only to have that person then turn around and say that they whooped me and are better than me when in reality, I just didn't have a chance because I'm a newbie with low stats. lol As far as the rewards go. Saiyans lose and gain 5% of the opponent's stats anyway. From the Gohan battle I'll be going from 200 in my stats to about 800 just from our battle. So I'm not sure why anyone's worried about people defeating higher leveled people when Saiyans can just throw their fights and get massive gains. And no, I don't want to get rid of the traditional style, it's just another form of battling that people can do if they want. If you don't want to RP battle, then you don't have to, but for those that like it, why not let them do it? At the start of Fallen, everyone was worried about it, and the exact same arguments against it happened there. At the end of Fallen, no one stat battled anymore, it was all RP battles. But it's just a suggestion, so we don't have to add it in; however, would those against it be upset if we added it for those that liked it? <--It's an actual question that I would like those against it to answer lol. |
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| Seta | Oct 11 2009, 12:41 PM Post #24 |
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As I mentioned, it just seems like a glorified personal saga consisting of just fighting but with better gains. However, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. I always have to be the devil's advocate tho. I have had fun with such type of battles in the past. It certainly forces someone to carefully read the other person's posts. I can't tell you how many times I've battled or sparred and put important details in my posts only to have them utterly ignored and I'm left feeling a little weird because I either have to restate the details or pretend like those details were never posted. Same with rping in PSs and quests and the like. |
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| Angira | Oct 11 2009, 12:46 PM Post #25 |
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xD That's mostly the reason I put the 800 word cap. People like Flute *cough*, xD, can put down 1500 words and some people skim instead of actually read. That can leave you like, 'wtf' when you go to post and your opponent just wrote down the most random mess of words you've ever seen because they read like 4 words in your previous RP. And actually, it pretty much is a glorified personal saga, but the difference is that you can actually die or lose items/zeni. It's still a competition, where in personal saga's it's not. During PS's you work together to meet a common goal, completion of the saga and to gain rewards. During a battle, the goal is to defeat your opponent. <--don't ask why I just explained the purpose of battling, I'm on oxycodone right now, my heads about a mile in the clouds. |
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