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Suggestion (razak Please Read); Students/Pupils/HBTC
Topic Started: Oct 3 2009, 12:44 PM (1,351 Views)
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Videl,Oct 3 2009
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When I said "madly in love with power", I meant do anything possible to achieve it. I'm pretty sure if Goku had the opportunity to wish for immortality or even eat the TOM, he wouldn't do it.

Evil villains on the other hand wouldn't mind doing what ever it takes to get the power they want.

Ohh, I wasn't sure what you meant the first time. Sorry Videl. And your right, the villans usually do anything for power. But the good guys always wanted to be stronger too. Goku enjoyed the ND because he could get stronger, he was somewhat power hungry too. Just in a good way.
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I think at the VERY least HBTC should be boosted to +2,300 to all stats per use. That gives roughly +9k pl, which is about the equivalent of a year of heavy training in 25x gravity.

And I think that Lawful good, and lawful good only, should get the chance to have 1 student, thats in between an officer and underling. Something like:

Stats with half stats
Starts with 8 SP
Can only partner train / self train
May learn techniques from their teacher
May wear weighted clothing
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Ra,Oct 3 2009
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I think at the VERY least HBTC should be boosted to +2,300 to all stats per use. That gives roughly +9k pl, which is about the equivalent of a year of heavy training in 25x gravity.

And I think that Lawful good, and lawful good only, should get the chance to have 1 student, thats in between an officer and underling. Something like:

Stats with half stats
Starts with 8 SP
Can only partner train / self train
May learn techniques from their teacher
May wear weighted clothing
Human Race, Start with Sense

Thats a good idea, I like it Ra. Even the 9k PL is better than the 5k we have now. And I just want the Student to be able to fight on their own, like an officer. I really like that idea, I hope it gets accepted

Edit: Wait, 2300 all stats gives 9200 ki, 18400 PL. I think that is totaly fair, and it isn't overpowering
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No, I disagree don't back down and settle for less because people whine. ToM get's changed to two weeks and planet is destroyed. HBTC get's changed to 25% and the cap being 2 times. ToM users get a 100% increase on there stat's. That's like almost double lol

That way ToM users can get stronger just as fast as HBTC since the ToM too like one day. There is no way all people will go Lawful Good.

Student's should be equal to officers and have there race benefit's but you can only have one student.

Simple. Just like the cyborg idea. Simple. No need to bite it or twist it or sleep on it or freak with it unless you are a nympho. Just buy a pair of Adidas and just do it.
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Actually, +100% IS double, not like double.

Raising the stats for HBTC is fine, and Ra's suggestion is great.

Student's sound fine. Make them either equal to an Underling or in between, and allow the user to have only one.

By in between, I mean allowing a Student to do Self, Partner and Master training, but not Meditation or Heavy Training. Small things really.
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@19: Yes, I know the TOM takes more planning. But, nobody has tried to stop the last two people on using the TOM.


But I think the point is it is possible so it could happen the next time. And yes, HBTC would involve no threat compared to the TOM. That sounds fair to me.

Edit: As for Pupils, if thats a problem, why not change it too 'Sidekicks' or something like that instead of a Pupil.
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But I think the point is it is possible so it could happen the next time. And yes, HBTC would involve no threat compared to the TOM. That sounds fair to me.

Edit: As for Pupils, if thats a problem, why not change it too 'Sidekicks' or something like that instead of a Pupil.

Or "companions."
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Digu,Oct 3 2009
01:38 PM
Actually, +100% IS double, not like double.

Raising the stats for HBTC is fine, and Ra's suggestion is great.

Student's sound fine. Make them either equal to an Underling or in between, and allow the user to have only one.

By in between, I mean allowing a Student to do Self, Partner and Master training, but not Meditation or Heavy Training. Small things really.

lol

25% twice is not half of 100% of a single shot.

Starting Stats:

100

+100% = 200

100
+25% = 125
+25% = 156

Thus, it is more than half :D
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25% would be fine with me and would make me want to use the HBTC. I love Ra's idea with the Student, and the "Companion" that Gohan thought of could be like the substitute underling. And like Digu said a lawful good person can only have one Student and it is inbetween officer and underling. So how does that sound guys?
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and the "Companion" that Gohan thought of could be like the substitute underling


I got the ball rolling to change the name >.> lol
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I got an idea, It will combine Ra's idea with the +2300 all stats and the +25%. Since if your weaker, +25% isn't a lot. So you could get a choice of getting +2300 all stats or the +25% if your stronger. That way it is more equal, like say your PL is 10k, you wouldn't gain all that much from it. The +2300 all stats would benefit you much more. So maybe we can make it so that you can choose. Here is an example:

Strength: 12,500 +25%= +3,125
Say your strength is like 400, +2300 would benefit you much more.

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Or you could be clever and wait till your stronger to use it?
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Ifyourstrengthis400youcantusethehbtclol

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Edit: 17, not everybody is clever. And that takes a lot of patience, somthing not everybody has.
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Gohan,Oct 3 2009
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If your strength is 400 you cant use the hbtc lol

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Edit: 17, not everybody is clever. And that takes a lot of patience, somthing not everybody has.

How clever must you be to know 25% of 30,000 is more than 25% of 10,000? Shame on the people who don't!

But, yeah, your way is a solution.
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Edit: 17, not everybody is clever. And that takes a lot of patience, somthing not everybody has.

How clever must you be to know 25% of 30,000 is more than 25% of 10,000? Shame on the people who don't!

But, yeah, your way is a solution.

Did I ever say I didn't know that? No, I didn't. And with it Giving +25% or 2,300 all stats it can make it good for strong and weak members. For those that plan it well, they can maximize what they get out of it. For those who don't, and use it at a lower PL they get less out of it.
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Did I ever say I didn't know that? No, I didn't. And with it Giving +25% or 2,300 all stats it can make it good for strong and weak members. For those that plan it well, they can maximize what they get out of it. For those who don't, and use it at a lower PL they get less out of it.


So you're giving people a choice of doing it the smart way or the dumbass way. Interesting.
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Actully, I got a better idea for it. 2300 all stats is massive, lower level players will take it right away instead of planning to make 25% really good. So lets cut the 2,300 to 1,250 all stats. It makes it less attractive, and makes people want to plan it out so they can maximize the use of the +25%. So the choice would be:
+1,250 all stats
OR
+25% of your current PL (Divided equally amongst all stats)

So, it makes you wanna plan it out like a TOM user. You get two shots at it, so you can take 20K from both uses or really get good gains. Example:

PL: 90,000 +25% = +22,500K PL in one use!
And with this, if you need a quick boost in PL the 10k is always there if you need it.

Thanks to Digu to some of the help with this
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Edit: 17, not everybody is clever. And that takes a lot of patience, somthing not everybody has.

How clever must you be to know 25% of 30,000 is more than 25% of 10,000? Shame on the people who don't!

But, yeah, your way is a solution.

Did I ever say I didn't know that? No, I didn't. And with it Giving +25% or 2,300 all stats it can make it good for strong and weak members. For those that plan it well, they can maximize what they get out of it. For those who don't, and use it at a lower PL they get less out of it.

I never said you didn't know; in fact, by what you were saying, you were one of the many people I thought would know.

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Actully, I got a better idea for it. 2300 all stats is massive, lower level players will take it right away instead of planning to make 25% really good. So lets cut the 2,300 to 1,250 all stats. It makes it less attractive, and makes people want to plan it out so they can maximize the use of the +25%. So the choice would be:
+1,250 all stats
OR
+25% of your current PL (Divided equally amongst all stats)

So, it makes you wanna plan it out like a TOM user. You get two shots at it, so you can take 20K from both uses or really get good gains. Example:

PL: 90,000 +25% = +22,500K PL in one use!
And with this, if you need a quick boost in PL the 10k is always there if you need it.

Thanks to Digu to some of the help with this


Nevertheless, I much prefer this. It allows the not only more clever people to benefit more, but also the more active and hardworking people. It's fair.
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Edit: 17, not everybody is clever. And that takes a lot of patience, somthing not everybody has.

How clever must you be to know 25% of 30,000 is more than 25% of 10,000? Shame on the people who don't!

But, yeah, your way is a solution.

Did I ever say I didn't know that? No, I didn't. And with it Giving +25% or 2,300 all stats it can make it good for strong and weak members. For those that plan it well, they can maximize what they get out of it. For those who don't, and use it at a lower PL they get less out of it.

I never said you didn't know; in fact, by what you were saying, you were one of the many people I thought would know.

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Actully, I got a better idea for it. 2300 all stats is massive, lower level players will take it right away instead of planning to make 25% really good. So lets cut the 2,300 to 1,250 all stats. It makes it less attractive, and makes people want to plan it out so they can maximize the use of the +25%. So the choice would be:
+1,250 all stats
OR
+25% of your current PL (Divided equally amongst all stats)

So, it makes you wanna plan it out like a TOM user. You get two shots at it, so you can take 20K from both uses or really get good gains. Example:

PL: 90,000 +25% = +22,500K PL in one use!
And with this, if you need a quick boost in PL the 10k is always there if you need it.

Thanks to Digu to some of the help with this


Nevertheless, I much prefer this. It allows the not only more clever people to benefit more, but also the more active and hardworking people. It's fair.

Alright, I misunderstood what you meant 17, sorry. And thanks for the support of the revised version of the HBTC. I also hope the Student idea gets accepted, and maybe even the Companion. I guess we just gotta wait untill Razak takes a look at this.
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If you're worred about planning when to use the HBTC why not just base it off of your character level?

IE:
Character level 5 = 5% to all stats
Level 10 = 10% all stats
Level 50 = 50% all stats
etc

That way those that have patients and use it later on get their big bonus and those that are power hungry and use it early screw only themselves.
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If you're worred about planning when to use the HBTC why not just base it off of your character level?

IE:
Character level 5 = 5% to all stats
Level 10 = 10% all stats
Level 50 = 50% all stats
etc

That way those that have patients and use it later on get their big bonus and those that are power hungry and use it early screw only themselves.


Well, but that would make it better than the TOM eventully. Once you reach lvl 50 its already better than TOM. I think it should just be 25%, anything more would be too overpowering. I think 25% is fine now that I think about it, its plenty. I still like me and Digu's idea with the +1250 all stats or +25%. Just making it 25% makes people wanna get even stronger so the gains are better.
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Just make it +1250. Lower the ToM gains. And Voila...
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