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Making Students Permanent
Topic Started: Dec 9 2010, 05:27 PM (615 Views)
Koyu
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Let's face it, when compared to the other kinds of henchmen, students really aren't that great. You can only have one, they can't train by themselves, and the worst part is that they disappear if you lose your job, be it through death, a scenario, or even traveling to another planet without a business card. In my opinion, they need a little boost to make them a little more worthwhile.

The most important thing I can think of is to make them permanent. While I could see how it makes sense that they wouldn't follow you around if you weren't doing the required job, they should have some degree of loyalty to you if you ask me, enough to follow you around at the very least.

I'm also fine with there only being one of them. It makes sense to only have one if you ask me. I also understand why they would only gain stats from partner training from you, considering they're supposed to be training under you, but I still think they should be able to get some degree of training done on their own.

At this point, they're close to useless because they disappear if you're not taking on the required job, which makes them around as useful as Saibaimen. Does anyone else here agree this should be changed?
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I think changing it to allow a student to stick around permanently wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean, I had a jujutsu instructor who was employed elsewhere, he was still our teacher/us his students but he wasn't a full time 'sensei' in terms of the site's setup.

But, eh, I have a business card so I suppose one way or another I'd figure it out.
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Students should be able to do almost anything asked of by their master. I understand that they shouldn't go off alone and get strong, but as Oboe said... they should be able to do more than what they are currently able to do. It's tough enough being a good guy. A little extra help would be nice. Maybe of we complete the req's to have the Student, we should be able to keep said Student as long as we maintain our positive alignment and don't die. Then again, a lot of work is put into maintaining our Student, so maybe if we die, they could stick around. At least for the first time if not forever. Just a thought on top of thoughts. You bad guys have it easy. *shakes fist*
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Although I do believe the 'Students' system needs a bit more modification, it always has been harder to be good. That's what makes good good and bad bad, if your bad you do the easiest and dirtiest way of getting what you want and if you good you will do the things way are supposed to be done. How does this apply to this case, well a Henchmen is something more like a slave that you own, while a Student is supposed to be a fellow comrade which you are guiding, so they obviously should be a bit harder to manage. But still I believe things should be a bit more flexible regarding everything about Students.
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Students should be able to do almost anything asked of by their master.

Wtf they aren't' SLAVES.
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Students should be able to do almost anything asked of by their master.


I uh... have to agree with Razak there.
Though, I also kind of feel the need to point out all the crap Master Roshi put his students through for the sake of 'training'. Within reason they should be able to put up with anything you can put them through.
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In no way did I imply slavery. As Gosai said, Master Roshi has his students go through crap for training. If a master were to literally have their student go through ANYTHING, then that would mean slavery.my statement was taken out of context. If we want our student to build something, then why not? Read a book, why not? Kick evil ass? Hell yeah. Plain and simple: Students are too limited in what they are able to do. They're students, not goldfish.
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Except I don't think henchmen can read or build either. :/

I still don't know if officers can get sword techs for crying out loud lol
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I think that any type of henchman or sidekick (not Saibamen) should be able to help their master more than they are currently able to. It's not like we would try and resurrect them if they died. We get more than one throughout the RPG. Give us a little more to work with, ya know? As for sword techs, why not? They're s'posed to aid us in battle but would only end up being a "living shield" ;) with their current limited abilities.
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Well not to steal the thread but I originally made my officer as a swordswoman like Pan, so it would only make sense she can use techs. lol

Anyways, as for the students. They should be more permanent, yes. But then again Alex has always said that the evil guys have such things because they're evil and would get perks that good guys can't get.
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That's understandable. But us good guys are really outnumbered. I know the whole idea of being evil is supposed to be more attractive than being good, but things like this tip the scale of good vs evil too far. I dunno, I think a little more help is needed.
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Tipping the scale temptingly in the favor of evil does make being a heroic character more rewarding, and being an evil character more fun. I do understand that much.

If it's getting too hard to be a hero, maybe some of the characters with positive alignment just need to start forming a stronger attachment to one another, heh.
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Honestly, there are a lot more advantages that can be used when evil over good. A student that will leave you just because you leave a planet/go to a saga/die wouldn't be worth it. Not even the free one.

And it's true, most active characters I see are evil, there are few good. But I don't know if a permanent student will make more good. To be honest, it's not weighted out evenly (but this point is for another thread).
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simply do as I requested before...make a student kinda like the missing link between an officer and an underling.

And actually good does not really have to complain...more masters, more quests, awesome items, superb techs, etc

but ofcourse you need to be quite active to be strong.
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@ Gosai- Definitely not enough good guy unity.

@ Akina- A permanent Student would help because then we would only have to fear them actually dying. I would like to keep a Student around regardless of my job. I have met the minimum requirements to have one, so why have him taken away so easily?


@ Chill- I'm working on it ;)
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Yeah, thats the thing, Chill...evil doesn't have to be nearly as active to get as powerful. And I'll be honest, there is only 1 good master, Guru, but he's only really good for Namekians. Muten Roshi isn't good only. I would say King Kai and Kami, but there's Lucifer and Frost to off-set them. Some of Roshi's techs are good only, though.
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Frost isn't all that good either... plus Guru has useful techs, Kami has the strongest advanced tech, which evil guys can only get by spending 4k zeni on portal or by dying.

Good guys can get stats from simply running snakeway, king Kai is an awesome teacher, good guys have most quests and actually evil guys have to be active too, because ToM only has a good effect after being like 50k at least.
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I think that students should be able to follow their "master" wherever he or she goes. Training under Roshi, Krillin and Goku both traveled together and even searched for dragonballs and trained, while still referring to Roshi as their master. At least let students leave the planet as long as their "master" has proper means of transportation.
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IF you leave then lets at least have student have a gem of telepathy or telepathic link so that you can issue orders while away. Same if you dead. Btw i thought if u have a busniess card it rests the job to 2 and it stay there
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Just to note to you guys, with a business card, one can keep their student while travelling. The students just has to accompany them.

Also, most sagas allow one to continue doing their job. It was only with the last one that one wasn't allowed to do a job. If that happens again, it is likely that one would be allowed to put their job on hold and thus be allowed to keep their student.

Thus, the only way a student can be lost is when the master dies in battle. That is just the inherent danger of being in a battle.
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I have a Business Card. I'm more concerned with how limited a Student's capabilities are. On top of that, one job shouldn't determine whether or not we keep him if we met the requirements to have him in the first place.
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