Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Alex's DBZ RPG 5 Forum. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
Nondamaging Custom Finisher; Im going to take a risk...
Topic Started: Dec 14 2010, 07:15 PM (815 Views)
Kaiya Nakano
Member Avatar
Daji based GOD
Alright. This is an Idea I have been working on for so long, its not even funny. Ive heard people say how much Pan hates techs from the manga/anime, and how if i dont do it exactly right, ill be hounded for making an OP move. But, as ill likely be getting Technique mastery this holiday season, im musing over an idea for a custom finisher. I personally think its one of the few cool things Ginyu has, and since its more racial than just a "move from the show", im going to fight for it.

SP cost isnt really an issue, i just want to know if this has any, any shot at all, of being approved... PLEASE DO NOT FLAME THIS IF YOU HAVENT READ THE TECH...

Quote:
 

Technique Name: Body Change (Custom Finisher) (27 SP)
Attack Power: 1 (No Damage +1= 17 SP)
Ki Drain: 30% (Suceed Or Fail)
Action Cost: One whole turn
Effects: Confusion (+10 SP)

Description: The user punches himself in the stomach, then screams “Change NOW!”. If the attack is successful, the user switches bodies with the opponent, switching their stats and health, but not their traits or ki. If the attack fails, the soul returns to the users body, and the user is stunned for an entire turn. The bodies are returned at the end of the battle, regardless of the outcome. After the change, the user can attempt to use the same move to get their bodies back if they have not used their one finisher. This is possible because the body change technique is a move imbued to Ginyu's body, not his mind or spirit.

I.e. If you and a chameleon switched bodies, wouldnt you be able to change colors, and him not?


Special: Can only be used by Ginyu

Special: Does not work on Androids

Success Chance: User DET / (User DET + Opponent DET)*

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Volg Zangief
Member Avatar
The Red Wolf
Ki drain would need to be higher. Your method of making it less than impossible to evade will not suffice for the technique was incredibly flawed in the series also. I'm sure you know how that turned out, yet this is only my personal input on the matter.
Ruth E Renkel
 
"Never Fear Shadows, it only means that there is a light shining somewhere nearby."[/SIZE]
Various Links
 
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ravisi
Member Avatar

Banned
I think if anything it would only last for a set amount of actions or posts. I only say this because you could just put craploads of dp into determination and intelligence making the success rate uber high.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Volg Zangief
Member Avatar
The Red Wolf
That is a great idea! Have it revert automatically in 2-3 weeks, and set the Ki cost to a certain % per week. Also note, it would take quite a bit, in the series Ginyu needed to be at absolute full power to change, and he would have around 25% of the opponents stats in their body.
Ruth E Renkel
 
"Never Fear Shadows, it only means that there is a light shining somewhere nearby."[/SIZE]
Various Links
 
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Diive
Member Avatar
Legendary Mullet
Android 17,Dec 14 2010
05:38 PM
That is a great idea! Have it revert automatically in 2-3 weeks, and set the Ki cost to a certain % per week. Also note, it would take quite a bit, in the series Ginyu needed to be at absolute full power to change, and he would have around 25% of the opponents stats in their body.

A certain % per week? What does that even mean? Ki is only used in battle... it's the only place stats even matter.

What would be the advantage of having someone else's body for two weeks?

No... having the bodies switch back at the end of the battle is far more practical.

And Ginyu didn't need to be at full power... he mortally wounded himself before switching bodies with Goku, then he let Vegeta beat him nearly to death before attempting to take Veggie's body.



@Ginyu... as has already been said, you'll probably need to make this tech more flawed to have any hope of getting it approved. But, you already know from a previous conversation we had that I think the idea is great.
<center>Posted Image
Theme|Vault|Wiki|UT</center>
Quote:
 
I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tambourine
Member Avatar
RP with me, dammit!
Loved the idea, but you'll have some trouble getting it approved.
Posted Image
Sig by OldTarble
Tambourine's Wiki || Tambourine's Vault
Battle Stats Calculator (Bonuses & Fatigue) || Instructions
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Veritas
Member Avatar
Fiery Smexyness
Android 17,Dec 14 2010
06:38 PM
That is a great idea! Have it revert automatically in 2-3 weeks, and set the Ki cost to a certain % per week. Also note, it would take quite a bit, in the series Ginyu needed to be at absolute full power to change, and he would have around 25% of the opponents stats in their body.

You need to get more familiar with the site's battle system, that you just said made no sense whatsoever.
Quote:
 
Mitch Hedberg: I used to do drugs; I still do, but I used to too.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Volg Zangief
Member Avatar
The Red Wolf
I thought this move was for Role Play purposes...I know the battle system fairly well, forgive my idiotic response.
Ruth E Renkel
 
"Never Fear Shadows, it only means that there is a light shining somewhere nearby."[/SIZE]
Various Links
 
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Codyislost1
Member Avatar
The Rooster
Banned
Quote:
 
Technique Name: Body Change (Custom Finisher) (27 SP)
Attack Power: 0-1 (To Self- 1 Damage if charged) (No Damage +1= 17 SP)
Ki Drain: 25%
Action Cost: 2-3
Effects: Confusion (+10 SP)

Description: The user punches himself in the stomach, then screams “Change NOW!”. If the attack is successful, the user switches bodies with the opponent, switching their stats and health, but not their traits or ki. If the attack fails, the user is stunned for three actions. The bodies are returned at the end of the battle, regardless of the outcome. During the change, if the opponents INT is higher than the users, they may use one action to attempt to get their bodies back.

Special: Can only be used by Ginyu

Special: Does not work on Androids

Success Chance: User DET / (User DET + Opponent DET)*

Switch Check Chance: If Opponent has more than Ginyu’s INT but not twice the INT, then it is:
Opponent INT / (User INT x 2)

If the opponent has more than twice Ginyu’s INT, then there is a 50% chance of switch.

Special: Opponents can attempt to get their body back up to 3 times.


A few things need to be pointed out on this...

The main thing is the amount of times that it is allowed to use a finisher. You can only use a finisher once per battle....meaning that they may not have up to 3 times to get the body back. They would have to use the same tech, no?

Quote:
 
Special: Opponents can attempt to get their body back up to 3 times


So...that's void...and that will need to make the tech more draining to use, since it has even more harsh consequences , if succeeded.

Another thing that needs to be looked at is action use. 2-3 actions to take someones body is such a low low price to pay.

Quote:
 
Action Cost: 2-3


That should be changed to fit the dramatic levels of the tech. If I was to actually approve it, I would say a whole turn. That's just me.

Through changing ones body itself. it should do more damage then just some Ki Blast. You have to actually think about how much it would actually physically drain someone to accomplish such a feat. Yes, the damages would be done to you, so it would be carried over to the person that becomes you, but still...damages need to reflect such a grueling tech.

Quote:
 
Attack Power: 0-1 (To Self- 1 Damage if charged) (No Damage +1= 17 SP)


You need clarification on this...

Quote:
 
Effects: Confusion (+10 SP)


I would understand if it was successul, that someone would be confused, but imagine yourself on that note as well, if it failed. You go through this process and it does nothing. I beleive this should be another concequence on yourself. If failed, you should have a chance of being confused yourself.
I Created the Sound of Madness...

Posted Image

A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands, love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper; his hands remember the rifle.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gosai
Member Avatar
ADBZRPG Guru
It could also have a very steep penalty if blocked. Since your soul is technically outside of your body, if you can't get it into a new vessel, such as your opponent immediately, you could be automatically considered 'dead' if the attack fails?

I'm just spitballin' here but it seems apropos.
It ain't over 'till ya can't think thoughts anymore.

Posted Image

Gosai's stats
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiya Nakano
Member Avatar
Daji based GOD
Alright. To adress Bebi and Gosai. This is not DBZ. Remember how Bebi told a new member to discard 2/3 of what they knew about the DBZ universe? This is one of those times.

If the attack failed, I am stunned for a turn. Thats how it works. The soul "returns" to my body. And the "Body Change" Is going to be considered a racial tech, not one Ginyu learned. It comes with the body, not the mind. It is simply unlocked through his encounter with his anscestors, as shown in an upcoming RP. People who become Ginyu, can use a weakened version to attempt to get their Bodies back. One turn, no Ki cost, and they can use it 3 times, instead of only one. Thats more than fair. Both of these contradict the canon, but this world isnt canon, as Bebi said!

I have edited the move to change these things, and I edited the Ki cost, SP cost, and charge time. That is all.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
thechosenone816
Member Avatar
Sarge of ADBZ
This isn't canon:

AKA: Balancing required.

Even the POTENTIAL of you going up against Pan and coming out victorious is pretty well unbalanced, no matter how remote the chance.
WALL OF SHAME
Quote:
 
10 Apr 12, 02:15 PM Taps: Kama, stop having fantasies about me and Trunks. They are creeping me out. >.>
10 Apr 12, 02:15 PM Kamatayan: It never actually happened, but it happens every night in my mind lol

23 Apr 12, 03:27 PM
Taps: Gawds, Sana thinking he so hawt.
Apr 12, 03:28 PM
Kenpachi: You know you want this ass

Vash 11:48 pm
    nah
    i just like the feeling of a boner
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Seta
Member Avatar
The Right Turn in History
The whole Body Switch thing always oogied me out to begin with. Yuck. <.<
[align=center]
Posted Image
Seta's Wiki | Character Vault | Seta's Theme Song
Aut vincere aut mori.[/align]
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Diive
Member Avatar
Legendary Mullet
Pan,Dec 14 2010
07:48 PM
The whole Body Switch thing always oogied me out to begin with. Yuck. <.<

Ginyu is the ultimate DBZ creeper... he'll take your body and feel up on it, licking his lips and moaning like it's a White Snake video! XD

...yes I've been drinking... don't judge me...
<center>Posted Image
Theme|Vault|Wiki|UT</center>
Quote:
 
I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiya Nakano
Member Avatar
Daji based GOD
Yes... Indeed...

*Murrmurred unintelligably*

~ So, who wants these magnificent horns? ~

~ All I want... Is you... ~
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Codyislost1
Member Avatar
The Rooster
Banned
I never once compared what I said to anything Canon with the tech from the series...

I was trying to balance out your tech. It was already bad enough through the past that people have created ridicilous techs. I would like to see it happen. It would be interesting.

Now, to farther pick at your tech...

Quote:
 
People who become Ginyu, can use a weakened version to attempt to get their Bodies back. One turn, no Ki cost, and they can use it 3 times, instead of only one.


So, basically...when this tech is successful, it becomes a completely made up, or pretend tech, that they can use. This so called...weaker version? Man, I wish I could use a tech and have concequences to be some out of the blue made up tech...Remind me to bring that up to alex as a side effect in the tech list.

Side Effect: Fake Tech

Nice...

Use some logic when making this tech, Ginyu. You are trying to create a first, and very unique tech. Get real with it and try. The main problem you are having right now is simply creating this tech to be compatible with the system.

For example of things needed to be changed...

Quote:
 

This is possible because the body change technique is a move imbued to Ginyu's body, not his mind or spirit.

I.e. If you and a chameleon switched bodies, wouldnt you be able to change colors, and him not?


If it was imbued to your Mind and Spirit, then it would travel with you. You stated that the body has it. That would mean someone with Ginyus body would be able to use that tech.

So, if the chameleon and you switched bodies, yes, you would beable to change colors, because you are in the Chameleons body. Bravo, you got that right. I'm happy.

Remember , though, the Chameleon, who is in your body, would have a nice hunger for bugs...

Keep that in mind.
I Created the Sound of Madness...

Posted Image

A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands, love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper; his hands remember the rifle.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Yon
Member Avatar
Soldier Of Avalon
How about this:

Put less restrictions on rules for evading it or dodging it. The attack itself can be defended against by a henchmen. The henchman idea (I.e. Throwing a saiba in its path is like throwing a frog in its path)

- can only be used once per battle since the tech is a finisher
- increase ki drain to 40 percent if fail, 20 percent if you succeed in dealing it to an opponent
- Since you punch yourself in the stomach, your inflict the critical effect pierce and immobilize on yourself if you lose since you self critical yourself and have a hard time moving from it.
Holy Mary Mother Of God, pray for us.
Saint Francis De Sales, pray for us.
Saint Michael, pray for us.
In the name of the Father, And of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, amen.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiya Nakano
Member Avatar
Daji based GOD
Edited, so that there is only one tech, Bebi. I kind of see the ridiculousness of that now... And Cygnus... Im not going to change the Ki wheter it suceeds or fails because, honestly, that makes no sense.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tambourine
Member Avatar
RP with me, dammit!
Quote:
 
- can only be used once per turn since the tech is a finisher

Finishers can be used once per battle.
Posted Image
Sig by OldTarble
Tambourine's Wiki || Tambourine's Vault
Battle Stats Calculator (Bonuses & Fatigue) || Instructions
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiya Nakano
Member Avatar
Daji based GOD
Per person, right? Or is it only one per battle?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Yon
Member Avatar
Soldier Of Avalon
That was a typo. I meant per battle. It is fixed now.


For the record, Ginyu, I requested more ki be displaced if you failed since it is the consequence of using a powerful move and failing. That way the risk is high for using it.
Holy Mary Mother Of God, pray for us.
Saint Francis De Sales, pray for us.
Saint Michael, pray for us.
In the name of the Father, And of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, amen.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kaiya Nakano
Member Avatar
Daji based GOD
To be honest, I think the risk is right now too high for the reward, unless its a last ditch effort. So I will kindly say no...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kagetane Hiruko
Member Avatar
The Mad Hatter
I like the idea of the tech, because it IS after all Ginyu's signature move...but there is one thing I have to stress out.

example: you with pl 10k use this tech on me pl 155k, if I lose with your body and you win with mine, that means you get battle bonus based on your stats, meaning: the 10k and I as loser get battle bonus based on my stats, meaning the 155k, because you didn't defeat a 155k person, but a 10k person.

I hope this wasn't to complicated :(
Posted Image

Battle theme~Character Theme~Comical Character Theme~Wiki
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Codyislost1
Member Avatar
The Rooster
Banned
Nah, I think he would get your stats, simply because he did beat you. It would have beaten you with strategy. He went against a stronger opponent and won. That's like saying you wouldn't get stats IF your Split Form delivered the final blow.
I Created the Sound of Madness...

Posted Image

A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands, love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper; his hands remember the rifle.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kagetane Hiruko
Member Avatar
The Mad Hatter
how does strategy apply on a nearly impossible to fail technique?
Posted Image

Battle theme~Character Theme~Comical Character Theme~Wiki
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
DealsFor.me - The best sales, coupons, and discounts for you
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Questions / Suggestions · Next Topic »
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1

RPG Chat RPG-D RPGfix eXTReMe Tracker

Back to Alex's DBZ RPG | Back to Main Forum

Black Water created by tiptopolive of the Zetaboards Theme Zone