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Adbz Chronicles: The Chaos Wars; OOC chat
Topic Started: Jul 9 2011, 08:16 PM (7,213 Views)
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ummm, these guy's PLs are only like 5-30 at most. She still has to deal with the onslaught that happened to go at her at about the same time. The gas is fast acting, and doesn't have to be inhaled. There are pores in the skin that it can get into and various other orifices.

So she had a grenade, a few nets and a lay down of gun fire. This isn't based on realism (which has been mentioned by many people several times), but on game mechanics. And game mechanics state she needs to defend. Think about order of battle, and how best to deal with them. They are far easier than someone like Asarak to deal with.

Maybe having to think things through is too much as Vier has stated. I'm just tired of throwing 400k villains at people. I'd rather give something significantly different, like a group of people figuring out a method to being able to deal with those that threaten their survival. A more mental saga rather than a brute force saga.

If you want a brute force saga, I can do that, but they are boring and too typical. They are being adjusted, but only slightly. They will still have their capabilities. So find a way to deal with them.

Junior- Actually the original thought was a field in the area to do it, but the gas just made things more interesting. Gas grenades used in military and swat fill up rooms fast. These guys are prepared to fight people like Pan, Vier and Chill, so their grenades release very quickly.
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Stop bitching and fight.

I'm ashamed of what this community has become. We need more people like Digu and Bebi back who were actually up for a challenge and weren't bitching over everything.

Pan died because she wasn't thinking straight and she just laid down and accepted it.

Now let's use what they gave us to mount an offensive. We can join forces, or what Tas said, find ways around it. All of this whining is getting real old real quick.

Bottom line, if you're not part of the solution, then you're just part of the problem.
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Tarble,Jul 24 2011
09:31 PM
Stop bitching and fight.

I'm ashamed of what this community has become. We need more people like Digu and Bebi back who were actually up for a challenge and weren't bitching over everything.

Pan died because she wasn't thinking straight and she just laid down and accepted it.

Now let's use what they gave us to mount an offensive. We can join forces, or what Tas said, find ways around it. All of this whining is getting real old real quick.

Bottom line, if you're not part of the solution, then you're just part of the problem.

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Like I said Tas, I have no problems with wanting to bring people down to a level where they have to fight without their special ki powers. And a lot of us can stand to have the challenge. But I want to believe the instrument used can actually do the job. The gas needs a hell of an explanation on whats in it that can do this.
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Well, I'm sure they could be planed around and what not. Maybe they're not unbeatable. I certainly don't think so. However, wouldn't it make sense to give us a heads up as to what all their shit does instead of springing it on us in the middle of a battle? Seems kinda like their little weapons are getting changed on the fly.

Pan holds her breath, suddenly it penetrates skin. It disables all Ki, except there special weapons after Blackfire pointed out the error. Not saying that last part DOESN'T make sense (who would use a weapon that is made useless by their own shit), but the info shouldn't be a big secret.

How can you develop a reasonable strategy against something you have no idea what does till its too late? Sure, you can come up with a strategy for them now that we all know what their stuff does as Pan was the the little test subject, but what stops them from pulling some other shit out there ass that is not described anywhere and once somebody comes up with a defense for their obscure weapons, suddenly their not affected.


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More info on their shit plz.
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Tarble,Jul 24 2011
08:31 PM
We need more people like Digu and Bebi back.

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lol Chaos, I can guarantee you, a force like them, once they start seriously losing, they will rethink their strategy and maybe change up items. But as the current items are seen, I will post everything about them. And no they weren't changed on the fly. But since the fight, there will be a few changes that i will notate.
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Tarble,Jul 24 2011
11:31 PM
Stop bitching and fight.

I'm ashamed of what this community has become. We need more people like Digu and Bebi back who were actually up for a challenge and weren't bitching over everything.

Pan died because she wasn't thinking straight and she just laid down and accepted it.

Now let's use what they gave us to mount an offensive. We can join forces, or what Tas said, find ways around it. All of this whining is getting real old real quick.

Bottom line, if you're not part of the solution, then you're just part of the problem.

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I gotta agree with Junior here. Magic seems a much more likely way to go about this than pure science. Then again, as my characters in other RPGs often assert 'Magic is just science before it gets explained.'

Still, I like the challenge, and beyond that... Gosai LIKES fighting bare handed. All these guys do if they attack him is actually force Gosai to fight his favorite way.
It ain't over 'till ya can't think thoughts anymore.

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Tasuda,Jul 24 2011
11:29 PM
Junior- Actually the original thought was a field in the area to do it, but the gas just made things more interesting. Gas grenades used in military and swat fill up rooms fast. These guys are prepared to fight people like Pan, Vier and Chill, so their grenades release very quickly.

Well like I said, it's just needs a believable explanation as to how its able to do what it does. Like I introduce something like that out of nowhere for readers they're not gonna sit well with it till it gets a back story. That's why I'm simply asking the question how does gas disable ki?
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I'm going to go ahead and say it, being of limited power level, this doesn't affect me quite so much as some others, but I am planning to take part in this. I might die, sure, and if I do I'll take that time to attempt to train in HELL, do a quest or two, or even attempt to make it to Lucifer for some training. If I were to die, it wouldn't bother me, as it would still work out in my favor in the end. However, I do look forward to doing a little work on a strategy for these people while I'm wrapping up my current Quest, though I think I'll be prepared by my next update or the one after, assuming the saga is still ongoing at the time.
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Chaos,Jul 24 2011
11:34 PM
but the info shouldn't be a big secret.

In theory a good idea. But, it ends up being a problem just because no one's ENCOUNTERED them yet. As they work more and more in the open, then more and more can be deduced about their weapons and methods of operation.
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I'm sure Alex knows what they can and can't do. So if something was changed on the fly, I wouldn't doubt that he would speak up.

The gas could be a virus of some sort for all we know. It could effect people with a greater amount of Ki more quickly even.

The only thing I can see you guys trying to gain here is OOC knowledge that you can try to apply ICly.
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Whether we've encountered it or not, it's still completely unfair that we have to go against people with items like this without even knowing what we're up against, much less with how gas manages to somehow reduce our PL to 10 without making these guys into .0001 PL babies.
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I almost forgot, but on to a question I'd like to have answered. Does the grenade negate the boosts granted by equipment in addition to a person's base Power Level?
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In every saga, what the villains can do has been a secret. Made up techniques, unknown strengths. Hell, Pico is still a complete mystery. The idea to keep the info hidden is on purpose to prevent meta-gaming. You don't know what things can do, so how can you create a defense?

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Vier,Jul 24 2011
11:48 PM
I'm sure Alex knows what they can and can't do. So if something was changed on the fly, I wouldn't doubt that he would speak up.

The gas could be a virus of some sort for all we know. It could effect people with a greater amount of Ki more quickly even.

The only thing I can see you guys trying to gain here is OOC knowledge that you can try to apply ICly.

Eh I guess. But what I have going is my character's father is a scientist and inventor. I have no problem having Junior somehow getting a hold of a grenade in saga, having it analyzed by his father and coming up with his own interpretation of how the gas works. So basically Tasuda can come up with the explanation I need or I can make it up on my own. Either way it needs to be there
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Exactly. You don't. And then a 400k PL warrior gets one shotted by a bunch of newbs with machine guns and grenades.
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This saga is awesome. To the people who are bitching and whining about their abilities, stfu.

Your awesome PL and gear isn't gonna carry you through this, only tactics and thinking. There should be no problem with this unless you're a baby. And to the people who claim there is no defense against them, wrong! I can think of ways to defend against their attacks. EVEN CELL CAN!

As for their items, what, you can't meta-game your way to a defense since you can't detail what they do? IC nobody know what they do besides the people running Avalon, so why would you, their target? Pan kinda attempted a defense and failed at it, now you can learn from that shit.

The gas and their weapons do not need an explanation more than, it just does. There is absolutely no need to get into every tidbit of detail in order for you to accept the fact that your PL ends up reduced. Why can't you just accept that and not ask for the gas ingredients? That's just insane.

All in all, this saga is a refreshing breath of air. If you can't take it, opt out like a little bitch so you don't have to spend your 4 weeks in the ND. Wah wah wah.
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Eh I guess. But what I have going is my character's father is a scientist and inventor. I have no problem having Junior somehow getting a hold of a grenade in saga, having it analyzed by his father and coming up with his own interpretation of how the gas works. So basically Tasuda can come up with the explanation I need or I can make it up on my own. Either way it needs to be there

If and when that time comes I'm sure you'll have the information provided to you.
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I'll take Lilly's post as sufficient evidence that the grenade does indeed negate stat benefits from equipment. Alright, strategy time!
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If you can't take it, opt out like a little bitch so you don't have to spend your 4 weeks in the ND. Wah wah wah.


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By the time I wrote up my reply there was a ton more posts, lol. I dunno for certain, Sairai. But I would assume so.

Oh & gtfo Alex.
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Stop bitching and fight.

I'm ashamed of what this community has become. We need more people like Digu and Bebi back who were actually up for a challenge and weren't bitching over everything.

Pan died because she wasn't thinking straight and she just laid down and accepted it.

Now let's use what they gave us to mount an offensive. We can join forces, or what Tas said, find ways around it. All of this whining is getting real old real quick.

Bottom line, if you're not part of the solution, then you're just part of the problem.


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This saga is awesome. To the people who are bitching and whining about their abilities, stfu.

Your awesome PL and gear isn't gonna carry you through this, only tactics and thinking. There should be no problem with this unless you're a baby. And to the people who claim there is no defense against them, wrong! I can think of ways to defend against their attacks. EVEN CELL CAN!

As for their items, what, you can't meta-game your way to a defense since you can't detail what they do? IC nobody know what they do besides the people running Avalon, so why would you, their target? Pan kinda attempted a defense and failed at it, now you can learn from that shit.

The gas and their weapons do not need an explanation more than, it just does. There is absolutely no need to get into every tidbit of detail in order for you to accept the fact that your PL ends up reduced. Why can't you just accept that and not ask for the gas ingredients? That's just insane.

All in all, this saga is a refreshing breath of air. If you can't take it, opt out like a little bitch so you don't have to spend your 4 weeks in the ND. Wah wah wah.


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All in all, I believe this will be fun... If Sairai does lose, which is likely as it's unlikely that IC he'd be clever enough right yet to develop a fully functioning stratagem to deal with the EF, he'll still have learned from the defeat that led to his untimely death.
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