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| Princess Chichi | Oct 3 2012, 09:28 AM Post #26 |
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I did watch some games with replacement referees, but there were games that came out fine. I didn't see any serious calls that effected the Giants so I can't really complain. Of course, when it effects your team winning or losing, I could see why you hate them. They didn't effect my team so that's why I wasn't too bothered by the replacement officials. Yeah, I am not saying the replacement officials were the best, but there will always be bad calls no matter what. I remember some pretty bad ones last season, which came from the the real refs. What was their excuse? The one mistake that blew my mind about the replacement officials was in the Vikings game. In the Vikings game, the 49ers were given 6 timeouts towards the end of the game. It was really bad, but again it did not effect the outcome of the game. example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WU9I4Xb-Rc |
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| Bardock | Oct 3 2012, 05:06 PM Post #27 |
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I... I... I... No, I can't risk it. GO GIANTS! |
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| Princess Chichi | Oct 3 2012, 06:52 PM Post #28 |
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Awesome another Giants fan! You must sing the I believe in you Eli song! Ah yes..Go giants! |
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| Rem | Oct 3 2012, 07:24 PM Post #29 |
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>.> Number of Giants Fans in 2007: 42. Number of Giants Fans in 2012: 194,782,312. |
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| Chaos | Oct 3 2012, 07:34 PM Post #30 |
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Could say the same thing for Eli just from 2004-2012 lol from calling for his head to riding his nuts. Seriously, I guess Tom Coughlin, Justin Tuck, JPR, Victor Cruz, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nix, Earth Wind and Fire all had less to do with the SBs then Eli lol. |
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| Bardock | Oct 3 2012, 08:05 PM Post #31 |
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Hey hey hey! I'm not on Eli's nuts. I've been a Giants fan my whole life, believe me. I believed in them through even the worst of times. |
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| Garou | Oct 3 2012, 09:34 PM Post #32 |
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I've been a Giants fan since I started watching football. The season before they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl the first time in the 21st century, when everyone thought they'd lose. |
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| Chaos | Oct 3 2012, 09:43 PM Post #33 |
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I believe you bro lol. I didn't say the NYG were a bad team. Just that Eli isn't elite. Like everybody who was happy he threw for over 500 yards against the Bucs...well the Bucs aren't that great for one, and if you toss 3 picks in the first half, you're gonna have a hole to climb out of that running the ball will not get you out of...Throw the ball 51 times to two very talented WRs and an decent QB in desperation mode will have those numbers. An impressive feat that is clouded by the fact that he was throwing the game away in the first place. In that game, both J.Freeman and Eli were 1:1 TDs and INTs. Differnce being that Freeman averaged 16.2 ypc and Eli averaged 16.5. Freeman was also sacked twice by the Giants beast defense and Eli was never touched...just made mistakes. Moral of the story, if J.Freeman and Eli switched, Freeman could of tossed 502 yards...does that make Freeman elite? tl;dr- Giants are damn good. Eli is Peyton Mannings little brother, nothing more, nothing less. |
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| Princess Chichi | Oct 3 2012, 09:53 PM Post #34 |
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Yeah, that wouldn't include me I've been a Giants fan since 94. I cried when we lost against the Ravens in 2000 where Kerry Collins looked terrible. I was such a big fan of Kerry Collins. It is sad how the Colts treated him. The 2000 superbowl was the worst. It was one of the worst losses I witnessed in my Giants lifetime. I had to bare the embarrassment of all the picks Kerry threw that day. I am also familiar with Phil Simms. My brother was a Giants fan before me so he was the one who got me involved with loving the Giants. Tiki Barber was one of my favorite players on the Giants until he retired early. I loved the way he ran the football. As far as my dedication to the team, every day I had to battle against wannabe Cowboy fans who were obsessed with Troy Aikman. I live 10 minutes from the stadium and have been in it as well. The stadium is in the meadow lands. So, yes, those band wagoners you are talking about would not include me. ![]() Eli Manning is a good quarterback you can't deny that. He has a good, accurate throw. Sure he isn't as elite as his brother, but he is a good quater back. You say that he has a good team around him. I totally agree with you, but that can only get you so far. He understands the game well, he doesn't get into trouble off the field, he is dedicated, and on top of that, he plays in NY. He has the personality to play in a rough area like this. New York/Jersey press are one of the hardest to play for. Ask any athlete that has played here how hard it is. Look at what Tony Romo has done? He had such talent around him, yet he can't get it done. The bottom line is Eli Manning and the rest of the team can get it done even when there are 3rd stringers on the field. |
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| Rem | Oct 3 2012, 10:08 PM Post #35 |
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Hey, all i'm saying is that i look around and I'm suddenly surrounded by Giants fans. I'm sure ALL of you have loved them since the beginning of time. I believe you, each and every one of you. lol. |
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| Princess Chichi | Oct 3 2012, 10:13 PM Post #36 |
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Thanks. I understand there are a lot of bandwagoners. They will exist always. I mean I remember there only being patriot fans a couple of years ago. Just for all the Giants fans on here. Proof (taken with camera on phone:)
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| Bardock | Oct 3 2012, 10:58 PM Post #37 |
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My eyes watered up on me just now. Oh, how I miss being home (NYC, where I could watch every game and not have to settle for the occasional game here). As for Eli not being ELIte, I believe he is. He has proven that he can win games when it counts, whether he's working with top notch WRs or not. He doesn't panic, even after a shitty start. He takes a big ol' pill of 'Man Up' and gets the job done. I'm just going to pretend that the Giants recent losses to the Cowboys and Eagles didn't happen. <_< Peyton Manning will always be the #1 Manning as long as Eli still has a complete team around him. Peyton did mask the Colts' flaws with his skill, there's no doubt about that, so maybe that's a huge part of why Eli will always be viewed as the lesser Manning. That's just how the game goes, so whatever. Eli and the Giants shat on the Pats and Bill Bellicheat TWICE, so that's gotta count for something.
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| Chaos | Oct 3 2012, 11:44 PM Post #38 |
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Do you consider Big Ben elite? A great defense and a power running game...he, like Eli, is good for sure, but not great. People who think so are blind. You can make an argument more for Eli then Ben imo. And as for his attitude...yeah he showed class on draft day ![]() Eli is the third best Manning probably behind Archie as well. Let's not forget, Tim Tebow not only got the Broncos to the playoffs, but through the first round with the Steelers...if that isn't mostly coaching and a good youngish defense, then Tim Tebow needs to start right now for the NYJ. He probably should actually...none the less, Eli's 'attitude' and need to through 50+ times because of his own mistakes do not make a good argument for him to be elite IMO. Sure, he's poised and acurate (at times...as defenders). Nobody is perfect, and I wish people would stop acting like he's better then Shady Brady because he beat him in two games. As if it was a one on one thing. |
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| Bardock | Oct 4 2012, 10:57 AM Post #39 |
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Big Ben is not elite. Draft day...lol. Shit happens, bro. Now, Tim Tebow is not an NFL quarterback. He helped the Broncos, but it had little to do with his arm. I have this conversation with my father and brother damn near every week. Tebow is trash as an NFL quarterback. He has all the outstanding qualities as a well-rounded athlete, with the exception of his arm. He can't throw the ball. He especially can't throw under even a little pressure, and we've seen that time after time from him. I feel bad for him because he has people getting his hopes up that he can make it in the NFL as a quarterback. I will say it here and you all can mark my words: Within 5 years of him getting the starting QB spot at the start of a season for any NFL team, he still won't make it back to the playoffs as long as he's still trying to throw his way in. He needs to switch to a FB or TE where he'll be used for the things he's good at. I like Tim Tebow, but not as an NFL QB. He was damn good in college, but he can't make it in the NFL if he's throwing the ball. |
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| Princess Chichi | Oct 4 2012, 12:28 PM Post #40 |
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@Kakarrot- Haha mine do too sometimes when I see that picture. There were so many memories in that stadium. I had no problem with showing it. I love the picture. You can see ladders on the side and some construction equipment. They were starting the new stadium back when I took the picture.Tim Tebow, as much as I like underdogs, he cannot throw very well. I agree that he gets the job done and is versatile, but as a QB, he won't last long. Sure he will beat some teams at the beginning, but eventually teams get smart. The whole reason why the Jets are failing right now is because they ruin Sanchez's flow. He gets into a rhythm, and then they bring in Tebow who ruins it. A QB usually runs on rhythm. If that rhythm is interrupted, things can go bad. You never saw QBs like Brett Favre or Tom Brady get subbed out by a scrambling QB. It just doesn't happen. Eli isn't the best, but he is a GOOD qb. The giants fans gave him time to develop. Sure, he has a good team to back him up, but so do a lot of other QBs. It doesn't bring them superbowls automatically. Just because you have a good team doesn't mean you are guaranteed to win. You also have to take into account that he had a lot going against him. The scandal about the chargers drafting him, tiki barber bashing his leadership abilities, and him being shadowed by his brother. Sure I didn't like him at first because I really liked Kerry Collins' abilities who was underrated IMO. However, after one or two games I really liked what he showed. He didn't break under pressure like most do. The bottom line is Eli gets it done. |
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| Bardock | Oct 4 2012, 01:01 PM Post #41 |
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Absolutely. Also, I was always a big fan of Kerry Collins. He didn't always have a decent O-Line protecting him or decent receivers to throw to, so he couldn't always pull off a big win though. Another thing I'll add is that I am not a big fan of Mark Sanchez. He needs to improve upon his decision making BIG TIME. I do feel like the Jets are itching to get Tebow in, and that could negatively affect him, Sanchez, and the entire Jets organization in the long run. |
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| Princess Chichi | Oct 4 2012, 01:19 PM Post #42 |
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I completely agree about Kerry Collins. Then again he did have Amani Toomer who was super awesome. Amani was one of the top receivers in Giants' history. He also had a good running game with Tiki Barber. It's just that he choked against the Ravens. It was unfortunate because I liked the way he threw it. He had an amazing, powerful throw. He was more like a gunslinger similar to Brett Favre and Kurt warner, but not at their caliber.. I feel like after the 2000 superbowl he got a bad reputation. Giants fans really wanted to move on after that. It was unfair to him IMO. He did a decent job in Tennessee after that. I was happy that he got a second chance after that. He would have been a good backup QB if the Giants kept him. Sanchez needs time to develop though. Most teams don't give their qb time to develop except for the Cowboys. The cowboys have remained persistent with Tony Romo. Sometimes you have to take two steps back to take one leap forward. I'm not saying Sanchez is amazing, but he does have a good throw. He doesn't make terrible decisions. I mean the Antonio Homles caught the ball and threw it up into the air when he got injured. I've never seen that happen in my life. What I am saying is that it doesn't help that some of his receivers drop the ball in critical moments too. QBs need great catches sometimes to pull them ahead. The other problem is the wacky plays the Jets use with Tim Tebow. They are useless imo. They need to stick with one QB rather then switching between both. It just ruins all timing and rhythm of Sanchez. |
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| Bardock | Oct 4 2012, 01:38 PM Post #43 |
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Sanchez has had plenty of time to develop, so I hope he shows that he's worth keeping around or Tebow will end up with his job. |
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| Princess Chichi | Oct 4 2012, 01:42 PM Post #44 |
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It's wasn't easy being Sanchez. I mean Rex Ryan GUARANTEED a Superbowl while he was QB. It's a hard act to follow. He put more pressure on his players than was necessary. If Jets put in Tim Tebow, they will get some good results at the beginning. However, he will not be great for long. Teams will be quick to learn how he plays and learn how to counter it. I don't even think Tebow's shoulder will hold up for the long run if he throws like he does.
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| Bardock | Oct 4 2012, 02:25 PM Post #45 |
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I agree with all of that. |
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| Jordan | Oct 4 2012, 04:10 PM Post #46 |
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Fuck the Giants. That is all. |
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| Bardock | Oct 4 2012, 04:15 PM Post #47 |
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Haters gonna hate. |
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| Chaos | Oct 4 2012, 04:47 PM Post #48 |
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All I'll say is, Eli doesn't just 'get it done'. Stick any other average-above average QB in his position and they will produce. Period. And probably better. Eli wasn't even above average until after that first SB. PS. Eli's never thrown for more then 29 TDs in a season. In fact he hasn't thrown more then 24 since '08. His QB rating has steadily climbed since his rookie season (which it kind of should) which indicated improvment, of course. He has improved. He is decent. He doesn't get rattled easily (even after throwing INT after INT after INT), which is a great attribute of a QB...but please...the Elite thing...just no. Elite- Brady, Brees, Rodgers. Peyton isn't really elite after not playing last season and doing so-so in the first four games so far, otherwise he'd be on there too. Eli lays somewhere above Jay Cutler but below Matthew Stafford. If it makes you guys feel any better I'll give Eli a top 10 spot
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| Diive | Oct 4 2012, 06:27 PM Post #49 |
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Raiders. All we need is a KC fan and the AFC west is completely represented by fans here... just proves it's the BEST conference in the league! |
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| Rem | Oct 4 2012, 06:36 PM Post #50 |
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Damn right. Hell, i HATE the raiders and chargers, but would still watch them over the fuggin Panthers or Jaguars because.... its AFC fucking West. |
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