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Piccolo Custom Item; Pls approve
Topic Started: Jan 30 2018, 06:41 AM (835 Views)
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Guru's Friendship Bracelet - Must be "Lawful Good" alignment to use. Equipped as an accessory. Cannot be equipped with "Guru's Healing Staff". Allows you to channel to good karma that Guru has built up over the years. Reduces ki cost of all techniques by 2% (cannot reduce below 1%). Increase Namekian Only Techniques by +1DR, does not stack with Guru's Training Outfit. Once per battle you can use the power of Guru against Chaotic Evil characters, adding CE: Blind to one technique. Cannot be equipped with any weapons (including blasters, kunai, etc.)
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I think increasing DR by 3 is a bit much. Maybe 2 is more fair? And increasing Heal to twice per turn is a definite no, I'm sure others will agree. We'll see what they think first though.
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+3 DR for Namekian only Techniques is probably way too high.
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Deso-Dragon Blast goes from 4.5 to 7.5
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Additionally, I'm pretty sure there are other ways to boost the DR of Namekian-Only techniques, so there'd be the question of if it all stacked or not.

Also, yeah--customs that mess with Heal in any way, shape, or form is either going to be under a microscope or just flat-out rejected. Using Heal twice per turn is going to be a definite 'no'.
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Happy to change to +2DR and get rid of the extra Heal.
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+2 with no Heal is definitely more acceptable. I'm assuming this stacks with Guru's Uniform if you have it? If so... maybe +1 is better?
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How about +2 if no uniform equipped, +1 if equipped?
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I guess that seems fair to me. Limits you to +2 no matter what, and I don't know another way to upgrade Namekian techs. Let's see what Lilz things.
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I'd be okay with a +2 max. The issue is the fact that these custom items are a chance to really express yourself and the character you wish to play. I get that canons have like... an expectation to them and all, but at the same time, this feels rather uninspired. Usually, people can get away with a bit more in their custom items due to some of the more unique things they wish to do with them, but when it comes to raw battle power, we have to take a really close look at things, so I apologize if it feels like this item doesn't really do a whole lot due to the constraints we're working with.

I'm going to wait to see if anyone has any objections for a bit, probably a day or two, but I'm fine with the +2 DR cap on these techniques. If you're absolutely sure this is what you want, then I'm fine with it either being +1 DR with uniform or +2 DR without the uniform.
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Guru's Friendship Bracelet - Must be "Lawful Good" alignment to use. ( This isn't a drawback since you have to have the same alignment for the item it is being attached to.) Must have trained with Guru for 15 weeks. (This would mean you can't even put it up for an item to be approved until that is met. If it has been met then it also isn't a drawback just fluff.) Upgrade to Guru's Healing Staff. Equipped as an accessory. (I am going to assume this is just taking the place of the Guru Staff and that the Staff keeps all its properties?)) Can be equipped with one other accessory in the same slot. (This is a perk that is actually powerful as it says on accessory and so would that make the healing staff like a hardened cap shield? The healing staff is one of the biggest perks of being LG so that would be a no} Increases Namekian Only techs by +3DR. Way to high. Not even logical really to go +3. Maybe +1 at the most and I say maybe since this is adding to one of the best items in the game. )Allows user to use "Heal" twice per turn. (This is almost a guaranteed no since heal is one of the most powerful techs in the game and is limited for a reason.)
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So to summarise:

Change DR to +2 without student uniform, +1 if equipped
Remove extra heal

Could include some other drawback such as cannot weild any weapons with the bracelet since Guru's a peaceful type of guy. Extend it to blasters and kunai and the like?
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Okay I went ahead and edited. Hit me up.
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This is a contradiction. Its an upgrade to the healing staff, which is a weapon, but it states that you cannot equip any weapons. Should probably be modified to state any 'other' weapon.
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The upgrade makes it not a weapon anymore, hence why it's a bracelet. I'll clarify.
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Okay, I must have missed that. Makes sense to me, and yeah, I'm kosher with it now.
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Yeah I'm cool with this now I think.
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I'm still not for allowing this to be equipped as a second item in the accessory slot. Weapons are great sure but so is a debilitator or a dragon's amulet or a vast number of other powerful accessories. There's a reason only items like sashes and belts are allowed to be the second item. This item holds the abilities of the most powerful LG item in the game and you're treating it like an Intelligence Belt...
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Equipped with one other accessory? Absolutely not.
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Those are some good points. In that case, we should have that perk removed as well. Were there any other objections?
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“ Increases Namekian Only techs by +2DR. If Guru's Student Uniform is equipped, +1DR instead.“

So based on this one shouldn’t even bother putting on the uniform. Honestly I would make it so if the uniform is on then once per battle you can make one Namekian only move increase by +2 DR. Having that be as a floating effect for all your namekian only moves isn’t really ok by me. The other approach is this accessory let you increase the DR by 1 once per battle with the uniform allowing this an additional two times
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Okay, since we're in a nerfing mood:

Guru's Friendship Bracelet - Must be "Lawful Good" alignment to use. Must have trained with Guru for 15 weeks. Upgrade to Guru's Healing Staff (no longer considered as a weapon / staff) and Guru's Student Uniform (consumes both). Equipped as an accessory. Twice per battle can be used to boost a Namekian-only tech by a further +1DR. Cannot be equipped with any weapons (including those equippable with fisticuffs) due to Guru's peaceful influence.
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Please clear some things up for me so I can better understand. You wish to convert the 5 token Guru Staff into this custom item accessory and retain all of its benefits while also being able to pick up the benefits of fisticuffs and advanced fisticuffs yes? This would negate any wep tech's you have learned but give you quite a boost over all with the benefits associated with those special abilities while retaining the meat and bones of Guru's staff. I'm not really keen on the benefits of that item being stripped for use with a custom item. I would imagine when that weapon was created it was never intentioned for someone to try and take its benefits with a custom and mix it with fisticuffs. If that is not what you are doing or your intention please correct me. But as I understand it now I'm a firm no on this. I appreciate the creativity and I support customization, but while custom items are supposed to be a good perk in their own right my fear is we blur the line to much and cause balance issues. I look forward to being swayed on this if my thought process is in error, but I would be remise if I did not bring up what I thought.
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It basically lets me use the staff while having fisticuffs... which I wouldn't say is better than a lot of the other custom items on the site.

I also need to actually spend the 5 tokens, so not avoiding any cost there. Also worth noting that the staff was created before fisticuffs was even a thing.
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It basically lets me use the staff while having fisticuffs... which I wouldn't say is better than a lot of the other custom items on the site.

I also need to actually spend the 5 tokens, so not avoiding any cost there. Also worth noting that the staff was created before fisticuffs was even a thing.
Fair enough, so basically my thoughts were in line with your intentions. My opinion itself still stands, but the good thing is majority rules. I do hope you get some iteration of what you want, but as of now that is my stance.
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I'm very firmly against blurring the line between fisticuffs/weapon users with an item like this. If you want to upgrade the staff that's cool but it needs to remain a weapon still. I won't accept it any other way.
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Anyone else wanna weigh in on this? 2-2 as it stands I guess, since Yan didn't say one way or the other.
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