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Post by Riki on Apr 8, 2021 12:02:06 GMT -5
Suggestion Name: Gravity Change Suggestion Type: Correction Suggestion Details: Either: A: Remove Titan Gravitron entirely B: Gravity no longer works on characters over 1mil PL* C: Gravity gains reduce after 700k* cuz you too strong nowCapping final reduced gains at like +100 all or bringing you down to zip zero.
*Completely flexible if other PLs seem more legit than these
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Post by Holly on Apr 8, 2021 13:23:20 GMT -5
Suggestion Name: Gravity Change Suggestion Type: Correction Suggestion Details: Either: A: Remove Titan Gravitron entirely B: Gravity no longer works on characters over 1mil PL* C: Gravity gains reduce after 700k* cuz you too strong nowCapping final reduced gains at like +100 all or bringing you down to zip zero. *Completely flexible if other PLs seem more legit than these I like this basically after you hit 720k PL, you get lower gains and they get lower every 20k extra power level you gain, until you no longer can benefit from gravity.
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Mila
Story Teller
Posts: 1,149
Organization: Kelioux Scholars
Race: Android
Status: Open Roleplays
Soul: Major Second
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Post by Mila on Apr 8, 2021 13:51:02 GMT -5
Suggestion Name: Adjust for our current lifestyles, lol. Work-Life Balancing, whatever you want to call it. Suggestion Type: RP Suggestion Details:
So, honestly, I understand where Goku is coming from but it is from a different standpoint and not just a soloing POV, or against battle gains. Allow me to address one of the many elephants in the room, we aren't 12 anymore, at least the great majority of us should not be. RPing is a hobby and we aren't getting paid to do this. Its a stress reliever and just something we enjoy doing still even in our seasoned ages. Straight to the point, let's adjust to our own activity levels. We need to lower word minimums for quests and adjust Roleplay gains to match...just how inactive we have become because of the added responsibilities we have gained.
Quests should just drop a level:
Easy: 900 words Medium: 1,800 Hard: 3,700 V.hard: 5,250 Epic: 7,500
Minimum words should be 450 instead of 900 now, yadda yadda. It sounds crazy at first it but it makes sense. We have shit to take care of, but we also want to RP and get that same dopamine hit from the gains we earn.
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Post by Quark on Apr 9, 2021 17:16:58 GMT -5
Suggestion Name: Donation caps Suggestion Type: Site rule Suggestion Details: I know very well that saying no to money is a hard thing, but as recently discussed and mentioned in discord after the latest "donation day bonus", adbz is looking less and less like an rp site and more like an EA sponsored mobile game. What I mean with this is: when a roleplay becomes pay to win, you effectively aren't worthy of being called a roleplay site anymore (no offense Alex). I propose that at the very least there needs to be a cap what one can donate in one go every month, setting it perhaps at what Joseph is paying at a frequent basis, as to avoid making a mockery out of those who try their best to put time and effort in the rp. This also isn't healthy if you're trying to regain the old numbers of players, which in this day and age isn't an easy task due to the decline of text based roleplaying. So again, I propose a cap on monthly donations and perhaps better regulated and less frequent double stat days, because as shown, it is somewhat unfair to just being able to wire a sum of money and presto, you eclipse people who may have sunk years worth of their time into this site. While I definitely understand that it can be disheartening when someone gains a millionish PL in a single update, I disagree that it is pay to win. You need only consult the Joseph vs Puar battle for an example of how RP is still much more important than raw power.
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Post by Kale on Apr 9, 2021 17:41:33 GMT -5
Suggestion Name: Donation caps Suggestion Type: Site rule Suggestion Details: I know very well that saying no to money is a hard thing, but as recently discussed and mentioned in discord after the latest "donation day bonus", adbz is looking less and less like an rp site and more like an EA sponsored mobile game. What I mean with this is: when a roleplay becomes pay to win, you effectively aren't worthy of being called a roleplay site anymore (no offense Alex). I propose that at the very least there needs to be a cap what one can donate in one go every month, setting it perhaps at what Joseph is paying at a frequent basis, as to avoid making a mockery out of those who try their best to put time and effort in the rp. This also isn't healthy if you're trying to regain the old numbers of players, which in this day and age isn't an easy task due to the decline of text based roleplaying. So again, I propose a cap on monthly donations and perhaps better regulated and less frequent double stat days, because as shown, it is somewhat unfair to just being able to wire a sum of money and presto, you eclipse people who may have sunk years worth of their time into this site. While I definitely understand that it can be disheartening when someone gains a millionish PL in a single update, I disagree that it is pay to win. You need only consult the Joseph vs Puar battle for an example of how RP is still much more important than raw power. I'd like to note that I kicked Don out the alliance for criticizing me and ruling me KO and made Goku the co captain. It has already been reflected in the alliance page. Seriously though, I can understand how you could see my donation bonus', or someone who has been around during Azazel or even just seeing the recent double donation day bonus' and think the game is pay to win. I however disagree, though I feel like there are some donation items like scroll of teleportation and Roshi's blessing are almost too powerful to be behind a pay wall and are close to being unfair to non donations. My battle with Puar is very good example of skill over raw power, I was more powerful and more prepared for that battle but I got outplayed in RP skill and sound mechanical strategy. Plus even with the cases of drastic increases of power through donations I believe Azazel, my self, and Hinata's most recent donation are the exception and not the norm. Plus I think trying to put a cork on how much money you can get is a questionable decision from a business standpoint. I mean I can see the reasoning behind saying the game is pay to win when mentioning the cases of the listed above but who other than myself and those 2 have regularly benefitted from profound stat increases through donations or have had cases where their donations have brought them up hundreds of thousands over the course of months or less? I am honestly against pay to win, but I feel like apart from some items being too strong and donator exclusive the benefits of donations as an issue is exaggerated when regarding growth of players because I haven't seen anyone getting profound benefits other than myself, Azazel while he was here, and Goku's most recent donation. That's just three people.
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Post by Kale on Apr 10, 2021 10:10:59 GMT -5
This is basically me copy pasting the current version of negative arrows with a different name since Alex said he would revert it. Honestly I like the current version of negative arrows because its cool and there aren't any other advanced moves with the poison crit, the change is why I got it. I found the previous version of negative arrows underwhelming and would like to see the concept of this move remain on the site after negative arrows is reverted.
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Post by Riki on Apr 11, 2021 12:27:08 GMT -5
Returning to a time of capped all gains but unlimited zeni for donations wouldn’t be off point. Even if its only a once a month cap it at least gives people more time to RP to keep up.
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Post by Kale on Apr 12, 2021 0:57:17 GMT -5
Returning to a time of capped all gains but unlimited zeni for donations wouldn’t be off point. Even if its only a once a month cap it at least gives people more time to RP to keep up. What was the stat cap before? Thats not necessarily a bad idea but I think implementing such a limit should be saved for if it becomes a real issue. As state earlier Azazel, Goku, and I are the only cases I can think of where donations gave way to exponential growth to where it seemed inequitable. It's not a regular thing for players to donate and experience growth that significantly surpass the statistical benefits of RP. Also I think limiting to once month wouldn't be the best business model since it places a limit of when money could be made from the site and could lead to missed opportunities for donations to be made when occasions that would spark inclination come up like to catch an auction or a sale. Shell Comment: The Stat was 200 bucks per character.
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Post by Broly on Apr 13, 2021 10:21:42 GMT -5
I mean I can name quite a few counts of abuse on this. The old number one was number one due to donations, Joe is only up in stats because of donations, and let me not talk about Goku. Why RP and earn a spot in top 25 when you can just pay for it. Fuck completely ruined all motivation to RP at all tbh. Multiple people feel this way.
If donating gave the ability to unlock the items instead of giving stats, DP, zeni; Joe, Goku, and the other abusers would have never donated as much as they have. Not to put anyone on blast, but seriously, why do I have to spend $3,000 (USD) to even keep up when for the last 2 years [been around since 2010, but 2 years of this character] I have built up my character to what he is. 100% positive if your stats were taken back or even lowered due to all these people's complaints about how you guys are abusing the system, you would both quit.
More over, lets talk about this battle everyone is bringing up. First of all, yes their PL was different, but honestly 200K PL isn't crazy, so no I will not be taking this into consideration. Puar RPed leagues better tbh, had the experience of knowing rulings and managing their resources a bit better. Any experienced battler could have taken Joe with up to a 400K PL diff, no offense, but I am glad to see that you are battling and improving. I'm not willing to say this site isn't basically pay to win when there are multiple cases to support otherwise. Plus, with how battling can be in alliances now, you can basically battle free of risk and improve within one or two battles. So, all those stats that you bought would deffo pay off in a month's time, assuming a higher level of activity and research.
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Post by Kale on Apr 13, 2021 12:08:52 GMT -5
I mean I can name quite a few counts of abuse on this. The old number one was number one due to donations, Joe is only up in stats because of donations, and let me not talk about Goku. Why RP and earn a spot in top 25 when you can just pay for it. Fuck completely ruined all motivation to RP at all tbh. Multiple people feel this way. If donating gave the ability to unlock the items instead of giving stats, DP, zeni; Joe, Goku, and the other abusers would have never donated as much as they have. Not to put anyone on blast, but seriously, why do I have to spend $3,000 (USD) to even keep up when for the last 2 years [been around since 2010, but 2 years of this character] I have built up my character to what he is. 100% positive if your stats were taken back or even lowered due to all these people's complaints about how you guys are abusing the system, you would both quit. More over, lets talk about this battle everyone is bringing up. First of all, yes their PL was different, but honestly 200K PL isn't crazy, so no I will not be taking this into consideration. Puar RPed leagues better tbh, had the experience of knowing rulings and managing their resources a bit better. Any experienced battler could have taken Joe with up to a 400K PL diff, no offense, but I am glad to see that you are battling and improving. I'm not willing to say this site isn't basically pay to win when there are multiple cases to support otherwise. Plus, with how battling can be in alliances now, you can basically battle free of risk and improve within one or two battles. So, all those stats that you bought would deffo pay off in a month's time, assuming a higher level of activity and research. I would like to say that it was by no means my intention disparage the efforts of players trying to build themselves up through RP or discourage anyone. Also if my stats from donations were taken back it wouldn't just be about me noting getting to be as powerful as I would like but it would make my donations a huge waste of my money, I would want like half the money I put in back or another form of compensation like items or an assload of DP, just being lowered I wouldn't have a huge issue with but would like to see something small to make up for it. I've heard Tarble and Yamato say the game is pay to win, I've heard Zyren say it, and even in this thread Halcyon has expressed concern and you and Yan take issue with it, with all that in mind I'm leaning away from seeing it as a non issue. Honestly if its gotten to the point where players are getting discouraged from RPing and its diminishing general enjoyment of the game I wouldn't be opposed to a cap placed on donations.
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Post by Goku Jr on Apr 13, 2021 12:09:56 GMT -5
The old donation cap sounds nice. I'm all for it.
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Post by Holly on Apr 13, 2021 12:26:56 GMT -5
I mean I can name quite a few counts of abuse on this. The old number one was number one due to donations, Joe is only up in stats because of donations, and let me not talk about Goku. Why RP and earn a spot in top 25 when you can just pay for it. Fuck completely ruined all motivation to RP at all tbh. Multiple people feel this way. If donating gave the ability to unlock the items instead of giving stats, DP, zeni; Joe, Goku, and the other abusers would have never donated as much as they have. Not to put anyone on blast, but seriously, why do I have to spend $3,000 (USD) to even keep up when for the last 2 years [been around since 2010, but 2 years of this character] I have built up my character to what he is. 100% positive if your stats were taken back or even lowered due to all these people's complaints about how you guys are abusing the system, you would both quit. More over, lets talk about this battle everyone is bringing up. First of all, yes their PL was different, but honestly 200K PL isn't crazy, so no I will not be taking this into consideration. Puar RPed leagues better tbh, had the experience of knowing rulings and managing their resources a bit better. Any experienced battler could have taken Joe with up to a 400K PL diff, no offense, but I am glad to see that you are battling and improving. I'm not willing to say this site isn't basically pay to win when there are multiple cases to support otherwise. Plus, with how battling can be in alliances now, you can basically battle free of risk and improve within one or two battles. So, all those stats that you bought would deffo pay off in a month's time, assuming a higher level of activity and research I agree with everything, just here to clarify it was a 550k difference
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Post by Goku Jr on Apr 13, 2021 13:47:22 GMT -5
Another thing I want to add.
From the years 2012-2014 I'm iffy on the events because I was in the military and rarely had free time but from what I have been told many people essentially battle whored their way up. They battled anyone as much as they could which is dope, but a new member now absolutely would not get that same experience. I wholeheartedly think that no one of higher pl would battle them to give them better gains and have fun, which is funny because that's what a lot of the top 25 did when they were new. So really I just want it to be known that this is an DBZ RPG site, not an elitist club.
If new members now were given the same opportunities everyone else in the past were (including myself) I could see why the donations wouldn't be necessary, but too many times have I seen a new member ask how to climb quickly (because as Yan said we are all adults now) and all they get is "not a strategy guide" or "there were clever ways just figure it out" then wonder why we can't keep anyone. This site has always had a rep of not being noob friendly almost as far back as I can remember. I don't mean people are mean to one another, I mean that noobs are hung out to dry too often and it's gotten noticeably worse within the past 5 or so years.
So yes, I see why Goku wanted to donate instead of write 10k epic quests that give +80 all stats, spar for 84 weeks, and write PS fanfiction because we all know no one in the top 10 would have battled him as Hinata if he asked outside of a training battle (cool thanks for the +10k pl can't have you getting too strong the easy way like I did lol).
Just calling a spade a spade here.
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Post by Holly on Apr 14, 2021 18:26:56 GMT -5
Another thing I want to add. From the years 2012-2014 I'm iffy on the events because I was in the military and rarely had free time but from what I have been told many people essentially battle whored their way up. They battled anyone as much as they could which is dope, but a new member now absolutely would not get that same experience. I wholeheartedly think that no one of higher pl would battle them to give them better gains and have fun, which is funny because that's what a lot of the top 25 did when they were new. So really I just want it to be known that this is an DBZ RPG site, not an elitist club. If new members now were given the same opportunities everyone else in the past were (including myself) I could see why the donations wouldn't be necessary, but too many times have I seen a new member ask how to climb quickly (because as Yan said we are all adults now) and all they get is "not a strategy guide" or "there were clever ways just figure it out" then wonder why we can't keep anyone. This site has always had a rep of not being noob friendly almost as far back as I can remember. I don't mean people are mean to one another, I mean that noobs are hung out to dry too often and it's gotten noticeably worse within the past 5 or so years. So yes, I see why Goku wanted to donate instead of write 10k epic quests that give +80 all stats, spar for 84 weeks, and write PS fanfiction because we all know no one in the top 10 would have battled him as Hinata if he asked outside of a training battle (cool thanks for the +10k pl can't have you getting too strong the easy way like I did lol). Just calling a spade a spade here. The issue with what you pointed out is that there was a fix to this. This is why they made the gains per battle go off the #25th on the Top 25 instead of between each other. No matter who you battle, you will get the same gains. So 2 new players or a group of new players could battle whore amongst each other and get gains ezpz. Can we please actually read over how the site has changed since those times that keep getting a call back? That happens a lot now. All I see are call backs to the past and not enough call ups to what has changed to make the site better. Not all the changes that happened since then were bad, only a select hand full.
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Post by Riki on Apr 14, 2021 19:22:13 GMT -5
The only people in the top 25 that exist or aren’t IRL busy is: Lucas/Yua/Kotarou doesn’t really battle in general. I don’t know Raiosu’s life. Everyone else on the top 25 doesn’t exist anymore or are so grossly inactive they are not worth mentioning. Goku Jr you really need to actually look at who’s on the site instead if just crying strong people don’t do anything when the top three (Hit, Emi, Riya) alone are always willing to do shit with people. Your complaints about the strategy guide and trolling and shit are legit but you just make your whole point invalid starting with that. Like Aria said though, the change that everyone gets the same gains was so weak people didn’t have to worry about “gate keeping” and could just get decent gains fighting anyone. It was changed to encourage more battling on every level. Y’all jumping to change it to what you think is “fair” without understanding why it was changed to begin with and then go on to cry about the same shit it was so recently changed to help. But this is a suggestion thread. Please comment on suggestions and make new suggestions and not rant about dumb shit plzkthx. If you wanna argue, DM me or @ me in the server. (That list is a good reference if you wanna battle tho!!)
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