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Post by Goku on Sept 3, 2023 22:51:26 GMT -5
The discussion of earning super forms in battle are at hand again. Please read the entirety of the post before voting, and please only vote with one soul. Right now we are looking at four options to achieve this, but the options will be too long to list in the poll, so please thoroughly read each option before voting - your feedback is imperative. Standard 1: Keep in mind with each of these suggestions, the standard (quest) method of achieving super forms is not going away and you must still meet the minimum requirements with your base stats to wield the super form, even temporary. These options would simply be additional ways to achieve the super form.Standard 2: The exact requirements are still being discussed. Please offer feedback specifically where there is a lack of information and remember
Super forms are achievable in battle, but you must complete a quest in order to regulate it.You will be able to achieve the super form once requirements are reached (see standard 2.) Regulation for super forms earned this way would be completed via quest. The proposed requirements are along the lines of requiring a certain percentage of equivalent quest words (so you wouldn't be getting an epic level quest for 3k words,) previous battles completed, minimum length (to keep battles open to some risk) etc. Super forms can only be achieved via quest.Same as now, nothing changes. Require higher word count on battles rewarding special things, such as super forms.You would be able to earn your super form during battle by posting words equivalent to the associated quest (ex: 9k words to equate an epic quest) potentially over multiple battles (still in discussion) Super forms are achievable temporarily in battle, there would be restrictions on their use. To use an unrestricted super form, you would have to achieve it via the standard process (quest.)This option would allow temporary super forms in battle with restrictions. Exact restrictions are still being discussed, but would be along the lines of only being able to use the transformation after an amount of posts associated with the super form tier, etc. |
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Post by Galactic King on Sept 3, 2023 22:55:55 GMT -5
Please be mindful that votes will not necessarily dictate site changes, but knowing members’ preference is extremely helpful in discussion.
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Post by Lemon on Sept 3, 2023 23:03:11 GMT -5
I actually like options 1 and 4. Kind of gives your character progress story-wise, if you wanted them to not know that there was a level beyond, to temporarily achieve the form, but fail to retain it's use. Sort of like Goku needing training to use Super Saiyan at will after Namek. But my preference is option 1 if we can only get one of 'em.
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Post by Nappa on Sept 4, 2023 2:37:36 GMT -5
I very much like the idea of being able to unlock the super form in battle, but I don't like the idea of doing a quest for transformation regulation. That feels ultimately like an arbitrary addition to keep quests as a part of transformations, and if there have to be quests, I think it should be for the form itself. A quest for a... 2% less Ki per turn bonus feels honestly kinda dumb. Amongst all the options, I agree with Rei that it should be either option 1 or option 4, but I prefer being able to gain it in battle temporarily, but later need to work on it to be able to achieve it at will. That feels very much in spirit of what Dragon Ball is all about.
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Post by Goku on Sept 4, 2023 2:47:55 GMT -5
Sorry for the confusion all, please revisit option 3. I realized the wording was a little leading toward a wrong conclusion. I've clarified it.
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Post by Yan Cass on Sept 4, 2023 7:45:57 GMT -5
I like option 3 but suggested it be half or 66% words of the quest required words as you are writing with someone to obtain it, and risk dying and shit. I feel like 9k in one battle is possible but also makes you stress word vomiting battle posts which all current members are capable of doing but all members hate reading lol
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Post by Galactic King on Sept 4, 2023 8:38:31 GMT -5
I agree with option 4, like others have said it feels closer to the spirit of the show and satisfies the members suggestions in a healthy way. Everybody wins.
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Post by Lemon on Sept 4, 2023 8:40:27 GMT -5
I like option 3 but suggested it be half or 66% words of the quest required words as you are writing with someone to obtain it, and risk dying and shit. I feel like 9k in one battle is possible but also makes you stress word vomiting battle posts which all current members are capable of doing but all members hate reading lol I'll second Yan on his opinion on word vomiting for battle. The only potential upside if you are struggling to write the post, is that if you are writing trying to retain the form and reigning in your rage or inner emotions (using SSJ as an example here again as to how Goku was so mad that he broke character with Goihan and shouted at him) it could add more flavor to the writing or motivate character moments in the battle. We just don't want to encourage word vomiting for the sake of WC. Heck, you could even revisit WC vs posts as well. "x amount of words or x amount of posts". Some forms' quest difficulty doesn't even make sense, though that's a separate argument. I'm still partial to option 4, though the idea of a quest to regulate the form is off for me. Would it be a repeatable medium quest? A Hard quest? Just saying that you quest to regulate can also get stale if you wanna regulate more than one form. |
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Post by Yan Cass on Sept 4, 2023 8:52:10 GMT -5
I definitely think if we do temporary it should be by post like Finishers. (Tho tbf thats what I wanted for permanent too lulz)
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Post by Kaine on Sept 4, 2023 12:37:55 GMT -5
Option four is really wonderful but I can see why people are siding with Option 3 as well.
Hopefully, This can work for the better.
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Post by Goku on Sept 4, 2023 14:57:50 GMT -5
Personally, I am voting for option 3 as I would like to see an alternative way to achieve super forms rather than questing. I feel like if you're utilizing a temporary version of your super form but still have to quest to use it at will, the point is kind of moot.
A decade ago when most people had 1-2 super forms I feel this would have been cool, but now with up to 5 forms that you have to quest for (not counting the hassle if you wata and have to do it again,) I think having an alternative way that doesn't involved dredging through 25k+ words through quests would be good. The battles required to learn your super forms would most definitely exceed the time & words put into those quests, but battles have the perk of being more fun (most of the time.)
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Post by Tien on Sept 4, 2023 18:32:59 GMT -5
I am pro Option 3 on the condition that it is indeed able to spread the WC across multiple battles. If the full WC is required in a single battle that'll just suck man.
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Post by Nappa on Sept 4, 2023 18:57:10 GMT -5
yeah, i agree, i switched my vote to option 3 upon a deeper explanation, but if i would have to do 15k+ words in a single battle to achieve it, we're talking like a 60 post 1v1 battle before i even get the form i want... i want this to feel like dbz, but not the filler aspect lmao
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Post by Lemon on Sept 4, 2023 22:12:55 GMT -5
I don't see why we can't have both 3 and 4. Of course, doing these would kind of make phonic ray kind of pointless. So the Ray would need to be changed again.
I like options, since it lets people focus on how they want their character to function.
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Post by Goku on Sept 4, 2023 22:49:07 GMT -5
I don't see why we can't have both 3 and 4. Of course, doing these would kind of make phonic ray kind of pointless. So the Ray would need to be changed again. I like options, since it lets people focus on how they want their character to function. Just for clarity, none of these options (as currently displayed) allow early access to your forms so Phonic Ray would not be affected. You would still need to possess the traits and PL to utilize the super form, even with the temporary option. |
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