Mila
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Post by Mila on Oct 12, 2022 14:47:28 GMT -5
Everyone's Family (Cell/ Cell Jr Only) - Cell/Cell Jr may choose 2 racial/character abilities and learn them (must spend proper SP). Any technique that has a character variant for special effects apply that special effect when Cell/Cell Jr uses them.
[Only 2 because like it takes a black star wish to get 5, so it wouldn't be fair to even get it that high] [If anything, if that is too much, the secondary part is probably the neatest one]
Perfect Cell - Increase the DR of all signature moves by +0.5 DR. (*A signature move is any technique that has a character variant attached to it, not to be confused with player master signatures)
Super Perfect Cell - Increase the DR of all signature moves by +0.5 DR. Sensu Beans are 10% more effective. Increase usage limit of all non-finisher signature moves by +1.
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Mila
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Cellio
Oct 13, 2022 8:53:30 GMT -5
Post by Mila on Oct 13, 2022 8:53:30 GMT -5
ight so refining this a bit. I looked and Cell actually gets good perks on his own. His Special just needs to change on his super forms.
Perfect Cell - Character-specialized moves can be used for their additional benefit as if Cell was that character permanently.
Super Perfect Cell - Increase the DR of character-specialized moves by +0.5 OR increase the usage of character-specialized moves by +1 (pick at the start of battle). Does not work with moves that already are once per battle usage or finishers.
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Cellio
Oct 13, 2022 11:30:23 GMT -5
Post by Broly on Oct 13, 2022 11:30:23 GMT -5
My problem with this is I suggested something like this for most characters. For instance all canon characters would benefit from the Kamehameha that goku gets who used it in the show. Piccolo would get buffs to masenko as he created it, Vegeta's family would get the buff to GG and Big Tree Canon. I think there is a better option which be more fitting tbh. I think what you said about Cell's super form needing tweaked is on the money though, cause he gets enough benefits as is.
Perfect Cell- Gains the ability to deploy Cell Juniors. This ability costs 1% ki per Cell Junior for up to 4 per battle. This special ability takes 1 action or at the cost of 2 actions can summon all 4 at once. For the sake of mechanics Cell Juniors act like Saibamen but are only 10% of Cell's power.
Super Perfect Cell- Cell Juniors power are increased to 20% of Cell's power and no longer cost ki to summon.
This isn't flushed out as I think it should. But I think it is a good direction to look into, also it removes Cell Jr from canon character, which isn't that big of a deal.
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Mila
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Cellio
Oct 13, 2022 16:47:20 GMT -5
Post by Mila on Oct 13, 2022 16:47:20 GMT -5
My problem with this is I suggested something like this for most characters. For instance all canon characters would benefit from the Kamehameha that goku gets who used it in the show. Piccolo would get buffs to masenko as he created it, Vegeta's family would get the buff to GG and Big Tree Canon. I think there is a better option which be more fitting tbh. I think what you said about Cell's super form needing tweaked is on the money though, cause he gets enough benefits as is. Perfect Cell- Gains the ability to deploy Cell Juniors. This ability costs 1% ki per Cell Junior for up to 4 per battle. This special ability takes 1 action or at the cost of 2 actions can summon all 4 at once. For the sake of mechanics Cell Juniors act like Saibamen but are only 10% of Cell's power. Super Perfect Cell- Cell Juniors power are increased to 20% of Cell's power and no longer cost ki to summon. This isn't flushed out as I think it should. But I think it is a good direction to look into, also it removes Cell Jr from canon character, which isn't that big of a deal. Well, Cell already has a cloning technique and its way better than that. He gets that ability when he reaches perfect form already. The basics of the super form special is to make him more Cell. Cell's gimmick is that he is made up of the DNA of all the Z warriors, and is their worst nightmare -- he is all of them wrapped into one. Now we can't be handing a canon character things like "He has all racial advantages and disadvantages" That's way too OP. Basically, best case scenario for balance is being able to claim those canon buffs. The reason why only goku and only vegeta get their buffs instead of the family is cuz being the original users (Roshi for Kamehameha line but uhh we can't play as roshi lmao) you want them to be stronger when using it. We definitely need to add more of course, there are some that are missed, but for a family / people who use them to get it? Too much imo. Cell's Clone for reference: Also it wouldn't remove Cell Jr, cuz Cell Jr can make Cell Jrs and get superform perks
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Cellio
Oct 13, 2022 18:02:16 GMT -5
Post by Broly on Oct 13, 2022 18:02:16 GMT -5
My thoughts were too make Clone the special ability of the super forms, but tweak it to make it worth doing. For some reason Cell Jr are able to make clones, which doesn't make much sense cause they were never seen doing that. 1 at half is good yes, but its just insta clone (token item) while what I was running with was more about having a bunch of much weaker but annoying creatures, like saiba or tri form. 4 at 20% power is pretty decent compared to 1 at 50% when it can only do fundi's. I think there has only ever been one Cell Jr character in the history of the site, so why not make the special ability "clone" the special for the super form and tweak it?
The .5 DR and additional uses is fine, it makes sense- I just think we could do better? but that's just me.
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Cellio
Oct 13, 2022 18:20:34 GMT -5
Post by Riki on Oct 13, 2022 18:20:34 GMT -5
Hellz no to Everyone’s Family.
But onto the SF perks: Legion your thing is way too complicated for a super form perk. It’s supposed to be a more passive gain. What Aria suggested is more in line. Instead of having a +1 DR buff to android moves, which he has less of, you keep him with a similar buff more on point to the character. Cell is legit the best bits of everyone, so its also very IC for him to have mastered the things Vegeta or Goku or Trunks have mastered.
IDK why Gohan would get a boost on Kamehemeha when he uses Masenko more. Trunks rarely if ever uses Galick Gun. So I see zero merit in that idea lol
But Aria’s shit is still too strong imo. He does not need the full buffs everyone gets. He is one character with a lot of perks already. We are replacing “Increases damage of Android techniques by 20%” and “Increases damage of all Android techniques by +20%. Repair Kit is 10% more effective. Increases usage limit of all Android techniques by +1.”
I’d rather see “Increases the DR of all signature moves by 0.5 DR.” and honestly just “Increases the DR of all signature moves by 1 DR. Sensu Bean is 10% more effective.” MAYBE Super Perfect with “Character-specialized moves can be used for their additional benefit as if Cell was that character.” in that form only.
You both doing too much. Cell is two characters who has like four specials and his own buffed super forms. Launch has sneeze. Also as one of the few people to ever have Clone used against me, its annoying enough as is.
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Mila
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Cellio
Oct 13, 2022 19:36:35 GMT -5
Post by Mila on Oct 13, 2022 19:36:35 GMT -5
Updated stance for me:
I'ma be real, it doesn't need anything more than that right there. The sensu bean sounds like just a joke from when Goku gave him one.
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Cellio
Oct 14, 2022 14:58:55 GMT -5
Post by Broly on Oct 14, 2022 14:58:55 GMT -5
Maybe change any canon to Z-Warrior and Frieza to align it more with the show. Cell doesn't get shit from Bojack, Buu, Ginyu force, etc. Wording would be pretty simple. "Increase the DR of all Z Warrior and Frieza signature moves by +0.5 DR"
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Post by Yua on Oct 14, 2022 15:13:56 GMT -5
The only problem that I have with this, is that Cell is canoncically made by earth Goku and co. But what about our Cell? As with all canon characters on the site, his history can be changed. Why not give Cell players the option to pick up to 2/3 active canon characters and gain their special abilities at a slightly reduced rate? Is they pick two, at normal, and if at three, reduced. This way, current Cells can reflect the active player base. For example, imagine a Cell with Broli DNA.
But that might be too much of a buff. Just thought this might be a more 'ADBZ' tweak to our Cell.
Along with slightly buffed super forms.
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Post by Riki on Oct 16, 2022 9:50:54 GMT -5
The only problem that I have with this, is that Cell is canoncically made by earth Goku and co. But what about our Cell? As with all canon characters on the site, his history can be changed. Why not give Cell players the option to pick up to 2/3 active canon characters and gain their special abilities at a slightly reduced rate? Is they pick two, at normal, and if at three, reduced. This way, current Cells can reflect the active player base. For example, imagine a Cell with Broli DNA. But that might be too much of a buff. Just thought this might be a more 'ADBZ' tweak to our Cell. Along with slightly buffed super forms. Again, hellz no to Everyone's Family. This is pretty much the same as Aria's original idea which is OP and undeserved considering Cell has a bunch of other abilities already. That said, Rei's point is good as to why he should just get signature to everyone versus just the Z warriors. Cell has the ability to absorb and tail absorb already on ADBZ suggesting he can take the traits of anyone (even if our absorb is pretty weak, and tail absorb is more about PL). ICly, you can make Cell's story whatever you want but the canon acceptance is he is the best parts of everyone. I'm not against it just being Z warriors and Frieza if that feels more balanced, but that's very DBZ restricted versus ADBZ. You also have to remember that it's not like he's getting everyone's techs. He'd have to conform his tech list that way to take advantage of it, which would give up a bunch of tree tech lines and more flexibility to what build you want for him. It's only in that super form and might end up only like 4 techs like androids.
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Mila
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Cellio
Nov 4, 2022 15:58:20 GMT -5
Cell likes this
Post by Mila on Nov 4, 2022 15:58:20 GMT -5
Elephant in the room being addressed.
Clone costs 0 actions to perform.
This should change to 1 and be in line with the Insta-Clone item. The benefit of Clone should really just be that you have a free Insta-Clone. So basically a 1 action token item as a character-specific perk is amazing.
Admin people, agree or disagree and hotfix, please? So I can totally go on to address his special super form perks.
Yea just changes it from +1 android only, to "benefits from character-specific boosts in techniques". Ya know, all Cell like.
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Cellio
Nov 6, 2022 1:04:54 GMT -5
Post by Cell on Nov 6, 2022 1:04:54 GMT -5
Elephant in the room being addressed. Clone costs 0 actions to perform. This should change to 1 and be in line with the Insta-Clone item. The benefit of Clone should really just be that you have a free Insta-Clone. So basically a 1 action token item as a character-specific perk is amazing. Admin people, agree or disagree and hotfix, please? So I can totally go on to address his special super form perks. Yea just changes it from +1 android only, to "benefits from character-specific boosts in techniques". Ya know, all Cell like. Gotchu.
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