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Post by Aria on Aug 1, 2023 20:44:56 GMT -5
So we have a pre-writing culture these days, and I know the reason I pre-write is because I do not like feeling locked to a location for too long and we have lives -- delays --- all of that stuff.
There are currently 2 limits that causes the need to pre-write privately:
-Can only be in 2 Rps at a time -Quests are location locked
How about taking those limits off the table and we upkeep the limits of how many RPs we can turn in a week instead of how many we can do at a time and/or for the week.
Example:
You can RP (quest / PS / OS / PRP / w/e) as much as you want, but you may only claim 2- 3 quests and 1 PS a week. You can now also quest from any location unless the quest specifically states you must be at a certain location.
The only things that are location locked would be battles and planet spars (also obviously things that are on those planets).
Thoughts?
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Post by Tien on Aug 1, 2023 20:48:49 GMT -5
Opening up more active threads sounds fine. There is absolutely no reason to have that limit when we can just limit claims per week instead.
I am a fat negative on not making quests location-locked. I don't want people just sitting on some planet where they get massive training gains and are surrounded by allies/behind some kinda "custom patrol" wall or w/e while being able to collect any and every item they want from anywhere.
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Post by Aria on Aug 1, 2023 20:50:42 GMT -5
Opening up more active threads sounds fine. There is absolutely no reason to have that limit when we can just limit claims per week instead. I am a fat negative on not making quests location-locked. I don't want people just sitting on some planet where they get massive training gains and are surrounded by allies/behind some kinda "custom patrol" wall or w/e while being able to collect any and every item they want from anywhere. You threw out a massively good point.
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Post by Dr. Ghast on Aug 1, 2023 21:09:29 GMT -5
yeah also going to say no to the non-location idea for quests.
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Post by Bramble on Aug 1, 2023 21:52:28 GMT -5
You'll have to contact Middy. That man has had 4-5-6 active threads at a time lol. Mostly personal sagas.
While I'd love to be able to quest from anywhere, Digu is right. Unless you needed to do like rank quests, you could just plant you pretty ass on Arlia or wherever and just comfortably stay with ya crew.
Now, as to the first point, I'll use Middy as an example. I personally think limiting turn ins better in more ways. Pre-writing is simply a product of the general population of the site growing up. We do work, we got family to go and see, ect. I don't see why we couldn't be in more RPs at once- and please note the "more", not "unlimited". Official Saga threads shouldn't count towards the limits, and neither should PRPs. PPRPs are already inferior to Personal Sagas in terms of overall gains, kinda like actual battling gives way better gains than spars.
Also, don't forget that the rare few that did the Orkz questline and completed it can do 4 quests in a week, depending on their INT level.
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Post by Maximillion Vlaculea on Aug 1, 2023 22:04:13 GMT -5
Opening up more active threads sounds fine. There is absolutely no reason to have that limit when we can just limit claims per week instead. I am a fat negative on not making quests location-locked. I don't want people just sitting on some planet where they get massive training gains and are surrounded by allies/behind some kinda "custom patrol" wall or w/e while being able to collect any and every item they want from anywhere. You can address that by making repeatable quests that in and of themselves are explicitly not location locked. Or, as the original poster indicated, only allow those quests that don't have location specific gains or rewards. So if you'd get a Earth Senzu Bean or Planet Namek headscarf, you can't get that anywhere else.
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Post by Bramble on Aug 1, 2023 22:15:25 GMT -5
You can address that by making repeatable quests that in and of themselves are explicitly not location locked. Or, as the original poster indicated, only allow those quests that don't have location specific gains or rewards. So if you'd get a Earth Senzu Bean or Planet Namek headscarf, you can't get that anywhere else. That doesn't address people going to the best area possible to just do repeated quests, with the best gains, over and over again. Repeatable quests actually make that point even worse. Now you really can just sit on...say Arlia...for months at a time, collecting bug kills over n' over, repeating the same quests. If you need an item from another planet, just sent out a Delivery Bot, or if someone in your crew needs one, you can send that out and get it. If you have a delivery bot. It may take an extra week to get your item, but you can just sit there and collect all the delicious gains while you wait anyway. Even without a delivery bot, with Instant Transmission, you only miss a week of those repeated stat gains. The only real way to fix that, is to take it so that you start to loose gains the longer you do those activities consecutively. And once you leave, that counter starts to tick back to the original gains after like a month or something.
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Post by Bardock on Aug 1, 2023 22:31:17 GMT -5
You know what would be cool? Space quests. They could be done while you're traveling or they could be done on any planet. Adds more variety and spices things up a lil'.
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Post by Dr. Ghast on Aug 2, 2023 7:51:11 GMT -5
You know what would be cool? Space quests. They could be done while you're traveling or they could be done on any planet. Adds more variety and spices things up a lil'. ask yan, I've been trying to get those through myself
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Post by Yan Cass on Aug 2, 2023 8:16:40 GMT -5
What if you could do quests from anywhere but needed to be on the correct planet to claim them? Thats what we’re doing now with prewrites so the argument of camping somewhere is already happening, but this would allow posting to the actual board instead of to docs and shit and you’d still have to travel as much as you currently do.
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Post by Maximillion Vlaculea on Aug 2, 2023 10:59:57 GMT -5
PROs - Everyone has more fun - Everyone experiences more growth - Since everyone can, fair for all 'CONS' - Murderhobos have to expend effort to find prey, even though they metagame like crazy already to find prey (skills issue) What if you could do quests from anywhere but needed to be on the correct planet to claim them? Thats what we’re doing now with prewrites so the argument of camping somewhere is already happening, but this would allow posting to the actual board instead of to docs and shit and you’d still have to travel as much as you currently do. I'd like to make sure there are no deadlines for claiming our unclaimed roleplays for our rewards. Back in the day, we were penalized for having IRL obligations that got in the way of us completing and claiming roleplays right away.
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Post by Dr. Ghast on Aug 3, 2023 11:00:26 GMT -5
TBF, you never got penalized for being too late if you actually went through the trouble of spending one minute of your time to make a post in the "going away" thread...and these days I think the limit's mainly there for show rather than actual enforcement. Anyway, typical Max to invert the problems and think of them as positives.
Allowing people to just do everything without traveling also completely negates traveling itself apart from battle, which people like Max may not remember or have ever experienced: but it is a fundamental part of the game, not to mention the very subject: I.E. Dragonball. There's also the issue with being able to do dbs quests from an entirely different location in this case and even worse the black stars. Yes, you could start making additional rules, etc...but this will only complicate stuff further and put even more rulings in the admin rules page which SHOULD've grown shorter rather than longer.
So no, I'm against this because rather than making things easier, it complicates things, it removes part of the experience of the game, not to mention the fact that it also makes IT even more pointless than it already is.
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Post by Maximillion Vlaculea on Aug 3, 2023 12:58:10 GMT -5
(removed the personal attacks and verbiage, paraphrased as needed)
- Nowadays, it seems the time limit for claiming roleplays is more for show than enforcement.
- My opinion is that Dragon Ball is canonically about traveling through space and landing on alien planets. Making things simpler would make things more complicated, not simpler.
Regarding the time limit, my suggestion is to make it clear in the Training/How to Play that roleplay gains can be submitted in any order within a few weeks of completion, even if the roleplays were designed for different planets. If your concern is about how this might be exploited, focus on that rather than stumbling past the topic to make personal attacks.
Dragon Ball's essence lies in Goku's transformation from zero to hero, and becoming a powerful defender of Earth against both local and extraterrestrial threats. It was never about flying around the galaxy exploring and conquering planets. It seems there might be confusion between Goku's mission and Frieza's canonical modus operandi in the series. Any traveling through space Goku & Friends did was purely incidental, a tertiary element in the overall storyline.
It's cool if playing Conqueror or Space Captain works for some people, I'm not going to ask them to stop enjoying what they love doing. But systems should take into account ALL play styles and ALL preferences, not just people who like certain specific things.
- Vote on rule changes as if a diverse cast of RPers should get to enjoy themselves fully.
- Vote on rule changes as if many people had different takes on what made DBZ awesome.
- Vote on changes as if different points of view are as relevant as our own.
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Post by Dr. Ghast on Aug 3, 2023 18:12:07 GMT -5
obviously, you didn't get the point...
What I was mentioning was how the no limit to location for quests would allow someone to do the quests for the dragonballs on say Juno or Cactylisma...or do all the black star quests from a single place which DID require traveling in the GT anime (plz don't try to spar with me when you're only digging your own grave here.)
FYI, let me clear up that you're the only one actually complaining about not being able to write from one location, while missing the crux of the problem which was Prewriting. That issue has been solved in the questions/suggestions channel on discord. As for all playstyles and all preferences: if you didn't want to explore something that has a universe, but still want to do the quests...you're in the wrong place.
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Post by Galactic King on Aug 4, 2023 22:36:23 GMT -5
So we have a pre-writing culture these days, and I know the reason I pre-write is because I do not like feeling locked to a location for too long and we have lives -- delays --- all of that stuff. There are currently 2 limits that causes the need to pre-write privately: -Can only be in 2 Rps at a time -Quests are location locked How about taking those limits off the table and we upkeep the limits of how many RPs we can turn in a week instead of how many we can do at a time and/or for the week. Example: You can RP (quest / PS / OS / PRP / w/e) as much as you want, but you may only claim 2- 3 quests and 1 PS a week. You can now also quest from any location unless the quest specifically states you must be at a certain location. The only things that are location locked would be battles and planet spars (also obviously things that are on those planets). Thoughts? I thought it was already like that. Maybe it was a "don't ask, don't tell" sort of situation. But yes, RP however much you want. It's an RP site. And yes, claim only the limits. Nothing wrong with that. If someone accidentally claims more than the allowance, even if it's because someone else posted an RP report, it'll be considered cheating though, so it's important to be mindful of that and exercise caution when roleplaying with multiple different groups at a time. Shell can correct me if he disagrees here. I'm against quests not being location locked. What makes RPGs fun is the limits, within reason. Allowing sagas to not be location locked is as far as we should go in that direction.
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