Tien
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Post by Tien on Aug 28, 2019 19:12:05 GMT -5
Tree of Might Proposal
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3 Uses
Options
Your Own Planet - +100k PL (not Speed) [If it is owned by an alliance mate of any of your souls, it is considered your own planet] Someone Else's Planet - +200k PL (not Speed) [Conquered planets count as someone else's] Another Alliance's Planet - +300k PL (not Speed)
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The first option, while the easiest, is obviously gonna be far weaker. It also would cost a total of 48k Zeni (31.5k for PTO). IMO the high costs vs ease of use would balance this with the HBTC. You'd be making yourself sneakable every time you saved up to buy a new planet, and run the risk of someone else ToMing it first.
The added difficulty of the second two options obviously speaks for itself.
This would NOT be retroactive unless Beerus (the only person who stands to lose from it) was willing to go that route. I would still argue that he should retain 900k from his use of ToM without needing to use it a second two times.
IMO this would have the unintended side effect of helping Good players in the long run, because they would have more chances to do GOOD and stop evil players from ToMing multiple times.
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Bramble
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Post by Bramble on Aug 28, 2019 22:54:33 GMT -5
With the lowered amount gained, I feel like we could also have other evil people that defend a world be able to steal the ToM that is being applied, only if they win the fight. As it has been tossed around, a refreshed timer would apply, a new two week timer, as the tree would have most likely been damaged and need to repair itself.
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Post by Shell on Aug 29, 2019 17:05:53 GMT -5
As currently you can't ToM a Canon Planet. So unless you conquer someone else's User Planet the conquer part wouldn't apply.
As far as full proposal. I think the above general outline wouldn't be bad. Like HBTC we can always increase it as game progresses and certain amount of stats mean more or less. My question would be what about anyone who ToM'd and didn't hit the 900k max cap or whatever the world they conquered would make the cap (if it was user or alliance or whatever) would they get extra uses or sorry you used it before it got changed IE - HBTC gains.
I'd also be ok with Someone Else's (Undefended) and Someone Else's (Defended) being the guideline. I'd say defended would be that you had a legit fight (someone within 10-20% of your PL below or stronger than you). Just my suggestion there.
Obviously my opinion on this I am trying to keep to strictly the proposal. I think making the decision between Good and Evil a little harder to make is always a good thing. TBH we all know (#notastrategyguide) that the end possible PL gains for being Evil far outweigh the Good Guys. If we make that gap closer I'd be cool.
Maybe also doing this you Open Ruins of Passing to Everyone??? (Just a thought)
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Post by Yan Cass on Aug 29, 2019 17:34:05 GMT -5
IMO, retroactive gains should be capped at 900k and the people who already Tree of Mighted don’t get another go. Yeah, we got people who only got 150k but at the time 150k was equivalent to 500k+. Just sayin.
If we’re being nice though, capping overall gains at 900k prior (so Beerus loses everything he got over 900k) and anyone who got less than that for their ToM has the option to do it again up to that cap or max two more times.
If thats the case I’m totally down with it. Like Beerus said, might wanna tweak stuff for different things. I’m not really for make it so you have to fight someone in your PL range cuz I feel like that complicates shit, but Planetary Heros and stuff vs just someone else’s planet cuz friends not in your alliance exist and that’s no defenses, nothin. Maybe make the second tier also be an amount of Invested Zeni? Not sure there.
#makegoodgreatagain
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Post by Yamcha on Aug 29, 2019 18:38:17 GMT -5
I can’t think of a good reason not to let previous users that haven’t gotten 900k yet have at least 1 more use. 150k then was more like 1.4 million now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 20:54:54 GMT -5
Maybe also doing this you Open Ruins of Passing to Everyone??? (Just a thought) YES PLS OR AT LEAST TO NEUTRALS.
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