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Post by Goku on Nov 12, 2023 1:42:43 GMT -5
Dimensional battling has great potential, but in its current rendition it's pretty much bleh and very underused.
There's been some discussion lately regarding allowing alliance members to battle for training purposes, which I think is a great idea. Dimensional battling could be altered to fit this need pretty easily.
I propose the ability be changed to allow alliance members to battle under the same conditions. Second, I propose an easier way to learn the ability by placing it on Toffit, learned by Aubriel for 100 SP. Currently, you can only learn it in the ND by either paying 100 SP or a quest chain in the midlands. For an ability with such heavy drawbacks, I don't think it needs such an out of the way method of receiving it.
tldr: Dimensional battling sucks and could easily be tweaked to allow alliance members to battle without abusing the battling system rewards.
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Post by Shell on Nov 13, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -5
I have concerns, but the overall concept isn't horrible.
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Post by Goku on Nov 13, 2023 14:16:57 GMT -5
I have concerns, but the overall concept isn't horrible. What concerns do you have? |
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Post by Shell on Nov 15, 2023 12:17:54 GMT -5
My first concern was a general concern with battles. As an alliance mate though I could be in a Dimensional Battle with an Alliance mate and extend it out weeks upon weeks to let them gain zeni while unable to be snuck and then while they are recovering they can just spend all the horded zeni. It is a concern that like I said isn't directly related to this though since I could do the same thing with a friend who just isn't in an alliance for whatever reason (SS/TS, Not enough space whatever the case).
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Post by Yan Cass on Nov 16, 2023 10:49:02 GMT -5
Yeah I feel like that kind of concern is very old fashioned. I really don’t care if someone hordes zeni at this point in the game to buy the few cool things that cost over 10kz. Especially with donation zeni no longer sneakable either. The concern would be using zeni in auctions, but those are so few and far between either theyre planned it for a specific item a friend is putting up that they can’t direct trade and i’m like good planning? or they had no way of planning or knowing it was going to happen. and again, ts/ss and friends just lending each other zeni…its really just not a concern at this point. If someone wants to forgo gravity gains to earn zeni, irdc.
same with keeping rares inaccessible. worst case we become stricter with voiding battles that people arent posting in regularly, but no ones really all that desperate to not just wait.
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Post by Galactic King on Nov 17, 2023 18:39:06 GMT -5
I would have to defer to the discord conversation about this as far as my feedback goes.
Summary:
SFG serves this role and should be edited instead of editing Dimensional Battling. I agree with the idea of allowing 1v1s that can’t be jumped.
Gains need to go back to being capped. I don’t fully remember when/why gains became uncapped, all the notes seem to indicate increasing the cap and then the cap was gone. But I would insist gains go back to being capped before something like this is implemented.
Would love to see something like this implemented though, I am hoping the site can collaborate on this.
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Post by Goku on Nov 17, 2023 20:01:00 GMT -5
Regarding using these type of battles to hoard zeni - I think this kind of blatant abuse can be detected easily without bias and should be shut down when/ if it occurs. If that isn't a satisfactory issue we could also make it so your job is on pause when dimensional battling.
After thinking a bit after you mentioned the SFG in discord, the purpose of SFG is to add an extra layer of protection for all battles, sneaks or otherwise. Forcing your opponent to burn 1 of 2 important use techs in order to jump is really good and makes the use and intention of SFG is greater than allowing alliance battles so I don't think I would want to change it tbh. SFG is also used much more frequently. I can recall maybe one battle using Dimensional Battling in my time on the RPG, so it makes more sense to overhaul the tech that gets 0 use.
While I do believe Dimensional Battling is the closest to what should be in place for alliance mate battles (half gains, greater recovery time, etc,) if you're against overhauling that tech I would suggest to add a 'Friendly Duel' option with similar restrictions. The gains should be halved for these types of battles, so I think that should alleviate the major concern for gains abuse for the time being. Plus, we should be stepping in if abuse is occurring since it's pretty obvious to tell.
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Post by Mila on Nov 17, 2023 20:41:59 GMT -5
My opinion is, we are adults. Punish the kids that abuse it like adults are supposed to do, and let's make this change (Cuz I agree and like the change to Dimensional Battling, it needs it)
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Post by Yan Cass on Nov 18, 2023 11:28:21 GMT -5
I’m for changing Dimensional Battling to ALSO allow alliance mates to battle. I’m not against learning it on Toffit. Otherwise I don’t think it needs changed in any other way. I have no idea what SFG even has to do with this conversation. Dimensional Battling already restricts it to 1v1 battles that can’t be jumped. That would not be a change to the technique.
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Post by Chaotzu on Nov 18, 2023 12:05:24 GMT -5
I agree that the simplest and most obvious way to implement friendly battles is dimensional battling.
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Post by Dr. Ghast on Nov 19, 2023 17:25:02 GMT -5
I'd say the main problem with allowing alliance members to battle is that it'll give the opportunity for boundless battle whoring without risk. One way to do this is to somewhat treat the idea like gravity training and such. Add a cooling period which starts at the end of a dimensional battle (not the start because duh) of say roughly four weeks and have this increased (as ND visits get increased time) when used repeatedly.
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Post by Dr. Ghast on Nov 19, 2023 17:25:54 GMT -5
I agree that the simplest and most obvious way to implement friendly battles is dimensional battling. You know the word for friendly battle, training battle? It's a Spar  |
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Post by Goku on Nov 19, 2023 20:00:42 GMT -5
I'd say the main problem with allowing alliance members to battle is that it'll give the opportunity for boundless battle whoring without risk. One way to do this is to somewhat treat the idea like gravity training and such. Add a cooling period which starts at the end of a dimensional battle (not the start because duh) of say roughly four weeks and have this increased (as ND visits get increased time) when used repeatedly. I believe this is a problem in theory only. Dimensional battling already cuts gains in half, has greater recovery time and can only be used once per month. I'd think the that cooldown would start once the battle was over, for obvious reasons like you mentioned. Everything is in place for Dimensional Battling to prevent most abuse. Also, to drive this point in: My opinion is, we are adults. Punish the kids that abuse it like adults are supposed to do, and let's make this change (Cuz I agree and like the change to Dimensional Battling, it needs it) |
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Post by Alex on Nov 24, 2023 9:18:23 GMT -5
Just stumbled across this thread and read it over. I like the idea of allowing alliance-mates to battle each other using dimensional battling. I do worry about battle whoring though. I agree it already has its limits as Bardock just mentioned, but there should perhaps be an additional limit when used to battle alliance-mates. Maybe an extra week of recovery time to add a little more "risk" to it? Or perhaps it can only be used to battle each alliance member one time? So if you have 6 members in your alliance you can dimensional battle each of them once?
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Post by Goku on Nov 24, 2023 14:53:32 GMT -5
I think making the recovery time an additional week is fine, or making the recovery time something that isn’t able to be reduced in any way (no hospitals or anything.)
I personally feel like restricting it to once per alliance mate is probably too restricting tbh. What about increasing the cooldown on it to something like 2 months?
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